Milan sign Alex [Archive] - DevilsMania.com

Ian

17th December 2003, 18:20

According to Channel 4, Milan have signed Alex from Santos for £3.5 million. I don't know whether it's true as Channel 4 sometimes come out with complete nonsense:mad:.
Also in the article it says we have reached an agreement to sign Como's young African forward Ayodele Makinwa-does anyone know if he's any good?.

To read the article click here (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec17a.html) .

GattusoKing

17th December 2003, 18:47

I`ll await confirmation from the official site (as and when the cheque has cleared :pi: ) before I start bemoaning the signature of Alex. If it is in fact true then, well, bloody hell! :ow: If not, yay! :thumb:

As for this Makinwa, I confess to knowing diddly squat about him but to me, it reeks of an attempt to replicate a Martins in the red and black.

Ian

17th December 2003, 19:21

If Alex is as bad as you say GK then i hope we don't sign him. I must admit i've never seen him play so i can't really say whether he's any good or not, but Brazilians are not usually good defenders(Roque Junior?).

Until you mentioned the Martins thing i'd not thought about it, but it does seem to make sense. Surely we'd be better off waiting until the summer and then signing Adriano?-zac has stated he doesn't need him and Parma need the money.

Milko

17th December 2003, 23:58

"Brazilians are usually not good defenders"? Such statements are, with my deepest apologies, crap. Look at your nickname and tell me, whether Ukrainians are always good strikers? Guess not. And Georgians are always good left-backs? Come on! let's talk about Alex and not "brazilian defenders".

Yasser

18th December 2003, 04:50

Dude, Inter will take back Adriano 100% so forget him!

Zac said not January only..

VUGAR

18th December 2003, 07:00

Originally posted by Sheva Rules
Dude, Inter will take back Adriano 100% so forget him!

Zac said not January only..

Yasser..:pi: is it somehow concerned with the topic...? :pi: ...get lost lazy moneky :pi: uhuh

Leo

18th December 2003, 09:03

True Milko, I've also never liked this nationality-based bias towards players.
White men can't rap. True or not?

Yasser

18th December 2003, 09:09

Vugar. It's just bcuz I dunno who is Alex and how good is he, so I wont discuss his matter..

VUGAR

18th December 2003, 12:47

Originally posted by Sheva Rules
Vugar. It's just bcuz I dunno who is Alex and how good is he, so I wont discuss his matter..

LOL...a good reason mentioned. :pi: :pi: :pi:

Cheers, Bro :thumb: :beer:

GattusoKing

18th December 2003, 18:31

If they`ve pencilled in July as the ideal time to sign him, that still gives Galliani, Braida and co. sufficient time to change their minds. Lets pray he has a stinker of a second half to the season ;)

angelino

18th December 2003, 19:38

Well I've never seen the guy play, so I'd be somewhat remiss to comment on his abilities or lack thereof. He does seem to be held in quite some regard however, and seems interesting at the very least! Also coinciding with this news is that Kaka may be able to get an Italian passport which is excellent news! :thumb:

GattusoKing

18th December 2003, 20:56

To be frank, I`m at a loss as to why Milan have purportedly targeted Alex. Despite certain persons objections to the cliché `Brazilians dont make for good defenders`, by and large, it happens to be true, hence it being a cliché. Obviously, that`s not to say that said country is incapable of producing further Aldair`s and..........Aldair`s, but they`re few and far between. Milan, having had its respective fingers burnt/nuked recently in the RJ debacle, you`d have thought would give any unproven Brazilian CB a wide berth, but, for reasons best known to themselves, they look destined to do the contrary. Why, when there`s arguably superior talents closer to home in the guise of Ferrari and Bonera, look to Alex? My cynical nose senses that Galliani has reverted back to the miserly mode of the summer and seasons previous where we were offered such delights as RJ, Pablo Garcia, Cardone, De Ascentis, Dugarry etc etc etc. Evidently, he`s yet to learn precisely what happens when you pay peanuts :ow:

VUGAR

19th December 2003, 07:47

hearing about alex...reminds me a lot another player..that was supposed to be a worldsuper star.........
our beloved...RJ :D:D:D

siahaan

19th December 2003, 09:49

I think it's not good to sign another Brazillian player. We know if Brazil make their match, all Brazillian lost from Milan (5 players maybe). But I don't say Brazil player is not good. I think Milan can scout from another country in South America, such as Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina because there many good players there. Don't be Brazil Oriented man....!

AndreaPirlo21

19th December 2003, 19:30

I don't think so. I think Alex available with squad Milan. He is Tall, strength, pass long very good. He is Youngster promising. I hope him not type as Roque Junior.
Let help me...all Picture of Alex? or Address web person

Ian

20th December 2003, 20:50

Originally posted by Milko
"Brazilians are usually not good defenders"? Such statements are, with my deepest apologies, crap. Look at your nickname and tell me, whether Ukrainians are always good strikers? Guess not. And Georgians are always good left-backs? Come on! let's talk about Alex and not "brazilian defenders".

Look i don't want to get into an argument with you, but i stand by what i say, and that is that Brazilians are usually not good defenders.
IMO Brazilians are attack minded, look at Cafu and R.Carlos-they're better when attacking rather than defending. On the other hand Paolo and Sandro are better defending. I would sooner sign Italian defenders, as IMO they are the best.
Finally, if you read what i wrote, i said that i had not seen him play and therefore did not slate him personally.

Ian

20th December 2003, 20:55

Originally posted by Leo
True Milko, I've also never liked this nationality-based bias towards players.
White men can't rap. True or not?

I was just making a statement that Brazilians don't usually make good defenders, IMO they are too attack minded. I wasn't making personal remarks just generalising.

And, if Eminem is anything to go by, then white men can't rap;) :eek: LOL

Leo

20th December 2003, 22:07

Eminem still is better than your average Vanilla Ice or Ice Cube...;)

What I was just pointing out, is that you can't/shouldn't judge players on their nationality without ever having seen them play...It's always very possible that this Alex might be the next Baresi or Maldini, you just don't know. It might be true that Brazilians are more attack-minded than the average footballplayer, but that doesn't mean there can't be this (maybe rare) exception, that the player being followed is a true gem, and a superb defender.

Ucranians usually make great...nothings? :) (thinking in footballterms)
Imagine tomorrow's Gazzetta reporting that Milan have signed this unknown young Ucrainian (damn that's hard to write :D) striker some people call Andriy... Alot of people would be extremely negative and bash him a priori just because he's Ucrainian, Ucrainians usually don't make grood footballplayers. Yet in a few years he might score the decisive penalty in the CL-final and find himself in the top 10 of AC Milan's topscorers history... Things that won't happen should we only focus on his nationality...
Another example: Brazilians don't make good goalkeepers...usually...but this one did give us the title of European Champions because of his superb saves...paradox?

Ian

20th December 2003, 22:19

Point taken:rolleyes:

I will still reserve my judgement until i see him play, if he is as good as you say then i will apologise(and please remind me).

The point you were making about Sheva is quite valid, but remeber he and Rebrov were on fire in the CL and everyone in Europe knew of them. So Sheva wasn't an unknown when we signed him.

And i still don't like Eminem or vanilla ice, but i used to like Ice cube. TBH i don't really like rap music much nowadays anyway, i'm more into Trance, but i still listen to Old Skool(Grandmaster Flash etc).

Leo

20th December 2003, 22:53

Mind you, I have never stated Alex is good :D He could well be pure sh|ite, but it's just that I don't agree with this nationality-based judgement :) I don't know the chap, but I know he isn't bad in CM.

Eminem is quite alright, but trance isn't bad either ;) Tiesto's quite cool (if you reckon Tiesto's music as trance that is ;) )

KONDR

21st December 2003, 10:32

Well, to a certain extent I agree with Shevyy. The thing is, that brazilians produced VERY few good CB. And the most important thing is that their CB tend to play good in Brazil but turn out to be a real crap in Europe.So I think it would be unreasonable to spend $$$ and rely on such a risky player. Look, the probability that Alex will be good is about 5%, and if we sign him 1) I doubt we will sign another def 2) we could not sign more non-eu this season! So I think that it will be not smart signing a brazilian CD untill he showed something in Europe.

BTW, however, Brazilians had very few good goalis, but look aat our magnificent DIDA!

P.S. Vanilla Ice was white

Milko

21st December 2003, 11:01

First of all, shevvy, it's exactly like Leo said, Alex could be pure crap, I just don't know. I was just making a point that according to my experiance you should never ever judge not only football players but anybody by their nationality. Forget Eminem, there are thousands of examples that such doing is inappropriate. I didn't want to start an arrgument and i am terribly sorry, but it's a crazy world we live in and in this world people are often being judged by their conationals. Many muslims have nothing to do with bin Laden, and poor Alex has nothing to do with famous Roque Junior. Just give a guy a chance to be ALEX not Brazilian central Defender. I am sure we would all like the same chances in our lives.
And to Kondr, yeah sure the percentage of Alex being successfull at Milan is not as high as Nesta's was, but these days budgets don't alow anyone to buy Nestas. All clubs must take chances, and I believe it's much better to make a mistake than to let Real Madrid buy someone who could turn out to be an excellent and pretty cheep defender. Just how the hell would you buy him from Real then?
But the most important point in this philosophical debate of mine is that I really hope our managers will look at players regardless of what passaport they have. They did so with Dida, they did so with Weah, they did so with Kaladze and they did so with Sheva and I hope they will do so in the future. Alex or no Alex, I don't give a http://www.devilsmania.com/mod/censored.gifhttp://www.devilsmania.com/mod/censored.gifhttp://www.devilsmania.com/mod/censored.gifhttp://www.devilsmania.com/mod/censored.gif, I just want him to be bought or not becouse he is quality or not not becouse he is Brazilian or not.

Ian

21st December 2003, 11:45

If Alex is as bad as you say GK then i hope we don't sign him. I must admit i've never seen him play so i can't really say whether he's any good or not, but Brazilians are not usually good defenders(Roque Junior?).

This was my original quote:rolleyes: .

I only said that if Alex was as bad as Gattusoking had said, then i hoped that we would not sign him.
In the next sentence i stated that i personally had never seen Alex play, so i could not say whether he was any good or not. But i did say that Brazilians are not usually good defenders, and i gave Roque Junior as the most recent example.
Tell me where i had judged Alex on his nationality or religion or even colour of his skin. I was only going on the assumption he was bad because GK had said that he was a poor defender.
I replied that i had not seen him play, but that, in general, Brazilians are not usually good defenders.

I'm surprised you didn't say anything about Walter Samuel and Mancini who are playing excellently for Roma this season. Or that Aldair was an excellent defender.

Like i say, i will keep an open mind about Alex until i see him play, but i'm also very wary about Brazilian defenders.

Meriva

22nd December 2003, 11:29

u know wot .... we have taken a lot a gamble in the past that resulted in 2 SUPERSTAR and COUNTLESS CRAP .
MILAN SCOUT are sucks if u ask me , their sucess rate are very low .
So ... unless we do something about it to make it improved , i think we better stick with the "Brasil can t produce good CB " Attitude .
COS mind u that Milan bank account has it's limit

1 MORE THING .... I HATE SPANIARD THAT PLAYED (or will play ) IN SERIE A :D

Ian

22nd December 2003, 12:08

What's everyone's opinion of Jaap Stam?.

When he played for manure i couldn't stand him and did not rate him at all. But i've been watching him recently and he has really impressed me with his tackling and skill on the ball, even his runs on the wing.
I think we should make a bid for him in January, as Lazio will have to sell players and we could get him on the cheap;) . I know he's 31 and, like Cafu, would only be a short term option but i think he's got the class to play for Milan.
What do you all think?.

Leo

22nd December 2003, 12:41

Originally posted by Meriva
u know wot .... we have taken a lot a gamble in the past that resulted in 2 SUPERSTAR and COUNTLESS CRAP .
MILAN SCOUT are sucks if u ask me , their sucess rate are very low .
So ... unless we do something about it to make it improved , i think we better stick with the "Brasil can t produce good CB " Attitude .
COS mind u that Milan bank account has it's limit

1 MORE THING .... I HATE SPANIARD THAT PLAYED (or will play ) IN SERIE A :D

Racist :D

No seriously Shevvy, stating that you shouldn't buy brazilians because they usually don't make good CB's, IS judging players by their nationality.

KONDR

22nd December 2003, 19:54

We made to many mistakes recently (I am talking about talents and not already proved players). Actually most were mistakes (except Kaka). Sheva was a top scorer in Cl so he was a proved player. Kaladze played superbly in DK.
While I dont want to give a list of 100 names of foreign "talents" which didnt succeed in Milan recently.

Ian

22nd December 2003, 22:42

Real Madrid are interested in Alex as well, according to C4.
Click here (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec22k.html) for the article.

VUGAR

23rd December 2003, 05:44

who is that Alex that everyone is interested of him:rolleyes: ?

Ian

23rd December 2003, 10:28

From what i've read about Alex he is a very promising young defender who is quick and strong and is good at freekicks. Like a younger Roberto Carlos, but i've yet to see him play so i can't comment personally:rolleyes: .

Rokdogg20

28th December 2003, 01:41

3.5M is not a king's ransom... if he's not up to it he'll win a WC for Brazil and get loaned to the EPL...

GattusoKing

28th December 2003, 14:59

You`d have thought that such a sum wasnt a king`s ransom, but recent times have told us that from Galliani`s perspective, it may well be. Regardless of that, even were Alex available for free, I wouldnt advocate bringing inferior talent to the club.

Jonathan Chan

30th December 2003, 12:51

Originally posted by GattusoKing
I wouldnt advocate bringing inferior talent to the club.

No personal...
but...
I reckon that you hardly watch Alex play, why you conclude him to be an inferior talent? I am afraid it's too premature to say this. Roque Junior doesnt represent all defenders from Brazil, there maybe exceptions...

but i rather gamble alex than bonera, i watched this dude four times this season, i think he's highly hyped...even Cardone is above him...

Haroon

30th December 2003, 15:25

Even if you don't take Roque into the discussion one can easily count the decent defenders from Brasil in the last 50 years! That doesn't say much of their defensive talent!!!

Italia, France and Argentina are the places to look for great defenders! Brasil is one of the best places for getting attacking talent.

The only decent defender Brasil has is Lucio. Alex is more suited to Real not us! I hope we don't get him!

GattusoKing

30th December 2003, 15:41

All in all, I`ve watched him play some ten or so times. Sufficient a number to gauge a basic opinion and from that, I deem him not good enough to play for Milan. In said games, I`ve seen him make countless errors that have, by and large, gone unpunished in what is a relatively average league, yet should he make those same mistakes in Serie A, they WOULD result in a goal. Actually, I`ve been far more impressed with his ability in the opposition`s penalty box than his own, so there is some merit to him I suppose. He could of course disprove me and eventually emerge as a world-beater, but I`ve seen nothing to indicate that.

When it comes to the transfer market, you have to play percentages. Galliani gambled in the past on `potentially` good players, which ended on a sour note to the Nth degree on literally every occasion. For the sake of a few extra million, I`d sooner sign the established than the aspiring.

Haroon

30th December 2003, 15:46

Samuel, Mexés and Ferrari. We shouldn't be looking farther than those three.

Chivu slipped from our grasp. It will be cardinal if the above three slip too.

Jonathan Chan

31st December 2003, 02:05

Originally posted by Haroon
Samuel, Mexés and Ferrari. We shouldn't be looking farther than those three.

Chivu slipped from our grasp. It will be cardinal if the above three slip too.

samuel and ferrari yes,
mexes still too young...

Yasser

31st December 2003, 04:35

Samuel cant play with Nesta.

Samuel isnt gonna join Milan ever.. Forget about him!

Getting real, we might snap Bonera in the next few days ?

angelino

31st December 2003, 06:33

I hope we make the most of this Parma crisis and snap up Bonera and Gilardino... but based on our market approach I wouldnt be suprised to see those two and Ferrari end up at Juve :(

Jonathan Chan

31st December 2003, 09:42

Originally posted by Angelo
I hope we make the most of this Parma crisis and snap up Bonera and Gilardino... but based on our market approach I wouldnt be suprised to see those two and Ferrari end up at Juve :(

ask any parma fans u'll know bonera actually is nth more than mediocre...

KONDR

31st December 2003, 10:34

LOL guys! JC is back :) :) :)
His last 3 posts shows, that people, actually, never change :)

Jonathan Chan

31st December 2003, 11:01

haha, finally back, make you disappointed that i am still alive?
change? why change?i have watched bonera three whole matches plus one half match. What i have said was based on GAMES, not claiming that i have watched someone ten times.......while that guy maybe even appear on tv for less than once or twice...;)

i watched
parma-milan, he was ok...but no one in Milan was attacking on the left. no sergi no left attack...:(
parma-perguia, he sux
parma-bologna, he sux
and
parma-juve, outclassed by miccoli and then injured

'new nesta' earned his only cap in Brescia, where he built up his reputation. Then he failed in CB at parma, then he was switched to RB and became mediocre uptil now.

ok, dream the dude bonera on your own, man.;)
you'll soon discover he;s the new Nesta.:):):)

and finally you'll miss our dear cardone...simply a better player than him.:D

young talents are good, but yong players with no performance but only reputatio sux.......and his price is 10M euro.......all parma fans would be delighted.

GattusoKing

31st December 2003, 13:55

It may well be that Bonera isnt pulling up any trees this season and in that assessment, I`d be inclined to concur but I believe 99% of Milan fans would sooner see him at the club than another Brazilian gamble. At the very least, Bonera has the `Italian defender` tag which is as good a hallmark as any and although he has a few frailties, I`m sure those would be refined at Milan.

Alex, on the other hand, has been schooled in Brazil, the difference between the two Serie A`s being that of chalk and cheese. Without being overly disrespectful to said league, the standard of defending there is comical, ergo any semi-talented sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb, as, IMO, is the case with Alex. Would you seriously sooner leap into the unknown yet again?

Jonathan Chan

1st January 2004, 05:21

Originally posted by GattusoKing
It may well be that Bonera isnt pulling up any trees this season and in that assessment, I`d be inclined to concur but I believe 99% of Milan fans would sooner see him at the club than another Brazilian gamble. At the very least, Bonera has the `Italian defender` tag which is as good a hallmark as any and although he has a few frailties, I`m sure those would be refined at Milan.

Alex, on the other hand, has been schooled in Brazil, the difference between the two Serie A`s being that of chalk and cheese. Without being overly disrespectful to said league, the standard of defending there is comical, ergo any semi-talented sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb, as, IMO, is the case with Alex. Would you seriously sooner leap into the unknown yet again?

i agree that bonera may well be end up in one of the big three(juve-inter-milan) sooner or later. What i am in doubt is only his football ability, not his 'tag' to be italian defender. No one would be silly enough to prefer lucio over nesta or canna.

I know nth about alex nor i like this player at all. If you look back my message you'll know i never defend him. What i was attacking is the 'brzailian defender MUST be crap' opinion.

I am sad to be critized by Kondr, my dear moderator, basically based on nth.

I said 'ferrari and samuel yes and mexes no' doesn';t mean that i dream them to be in Milan. I was just commenting the suitability of these players to Milan. Everyone know no top defender would be stupid enough to come here to warm the bench for Maldini-nesta. What I am hoping for is some reliable CB like iuliano to back up the duo. Laursen is horrible, so does Simic...

Finally, HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS IN DM! I hope the very best for Milan in the upcoming year, and devilsmania can be as successful as ever.

[banned]

22nd January 2004, 16:24

i would easily go for ferrari esp. for 4M, juve made a bid of 2M, haha ... the guy is worth atleast 8M, galliani ... just go for him 4M!!! ... bonera too if trabelsi doesnt join us!

milanstar

6th February 2004, 03:05

I heard that this guy have super reputation.Very strong and little error.Also easy to find net when attacking set piece.I think he is good for us to buy.
But the bad news is that he may have been signed recently by a Spain Club,maybe Valencia.The reason why we lose is that Galliani is still not clear about the restriction of non-Eu.What a pity!
At last, why we forget Colochini, I think he is good enough to play as the sub of Maldini

Bo0

6th February 2004, 03:24

speaking of Bonera / Ferrari. well, as of this day, I like Ferrari better. he's solid, more mature, and he can command the backline pretty well (from what Ive seen).
Bonera? I havent had the good fortune to watch him play yet this season.
however, he's pretty highly praised. so i wouldnt mind him coming to Milan. besides, we also need some player to play on our right side of the defence, so I guess in this case Bonera has double-advantage :).

*based on this season only*