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Elchillum

11th September 2001, 22:24

Originally posted by sheva rules
instead of crying..ahh...think for who done it..& think why is it done...its not done for nothing...

In case u lived in the US guyz..here..ah...u will realise that the Americans themselves hate each others...the white & the black are enemies...!!! i lived almost 12 yrs of my life there....& Elchi..wasnt it u who said not even in movies..!!!

remmeber buddy..who u said u think done it when icq'd with u...

my family lives in LA..my uncle lives in Vergenia..& some of my relatives lives in Chicago..so dont think i'll like it to see them dying all...i mean by my family = dad, mam, bro & sis..ok..!

But...u wont know what is it like in the US between themselves ... go there & see ... very big rasict.... & the Oklahoma accident..is just an example of lots of examples..

I dont really know what to think of this post ... ... I think it were the palistinians when i told u but it's afganistan i hear now!

---> but what have racists to do with this? ... FOR ME BELIEVE AND FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE THE REASON OF THIS ...

Uhm sheva .. could u explain more becuz i dont have the link ... ... ;)

cheers :beer:

Yasser

11th September 2001, 22:51

Originally posted by elchillum

I dont really know what to think of this post ... ... I think it were the palistinians when i told u but it's afganistan i hear now!

---> but what have racists to do with this? ... FOR ME BELIEVE AND FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE THE REASON OF THIS ...

Uhm sheva .. could u explain more becuz i dont have the link ... ... ;)

cheers :beer:

well this is a SOCCER forum...but no probs..

1ST:

the Oklahoma crash..in 95 i think..thousands of ppl killed in a big bomb..all blamed a poor palestini guy..then it was an American jewish who done it... << he was killed 3 months ago by gas if u ever heard of it.. he killed round of 20-25 thousands in his bomb..!!!

2ND: u said Isreal Elchi..or u forgot??
also Palestinians are poor..they just have food to eat..& u say they will do such a thing? this thing happened today..its from someone who KNOWS the AIRLINES COMAPANIES soooo good..read my post up there....

3RD:
Elchi..Palestinian were kicked out from their country by Isreal thx to the US..ah..imagine u get the same..tell me..what will u do then? & for decades they are killed everyday..every single day....

4TH:

Nothing u can blame Palestinians..even the US itself..didnt blame them..ah...

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ANYWAY..i dont really much care abt it..i hope all; these things finish...i'm not an expert in politics..but I THINK BY MY HEAD NOT MY HEART...dont be emotional..use it in ur real life..

if u say i like it a lot what happened..well ummmm my family & uncles..lives all in the US..so u think i'm gonna like it?!!!

anyway hope these things finishes soon..

ABT RASICT...go'n live in the states Elchi for only one year..& u will know what i mean..these things cant be explained..but just see how different are ppl treated there...i mean coloured..go there & u will know what i mean..

finish this thread... i dont like it at all...

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 09:24

Originally posted by sheva rules

well this is a SOCCER forum...but no probs..

1ST:

the Oklahoma crash..in 95 i think..thousands of ppl killed in a big bomb..all blamed a poor palestini guy..then it was an American jewish who done it... << he was killed 3 months ago by gas if u ever heard of it.. he killed round of 20-25 thousands in his bomb..!!!

2ND: u said Isreal Elchi..or u forgot??
also Palestinians are poor..they just have food to eat..& u say they will do such a thing? this thing happened today..its from someone who KNOWS the AIRLINES COMAPANIES soooo good..read my post up there....

3RD:
Elchi..Palestinian were kicked out from their country by Isreal thx to the US..ah..imagine u get the same..tell me..what will u do then? & for decades they are killed everyday..every single day....

4TH:

Nothing u can blame Palestinians..even the US itself..didnt blame them..ah...

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ANYWAY..i dont really much care abt it..i hope all; these things finish...i'm not an expert in politics..but I THINK BY MY HEAD NOT MY HEART...dont be emotional..use it in ur real life..

if u say i like it a lot what happened..well ummmm my family & uncles..lives all in the US..so u think i'm gonna like it?!!!

anyway hope these things finishes soon..

ABT RASICT...go'n live in the states Elchi for only one year..& u will know what i mean..these things cant be explained..but just see how different are ppl treated there...i mean coloured..go there & u will know what i mean..

finish this thread... i dont like it at all...

Of course i remember the Oklahoma bombin ... 600 pple or so death ... yeah i know that dude mcveigh is already executed!

---> Yeah i said the Palestinians ... ... but it's Israel related so i meant that ... yeah but when i saw them celebrating on the streets i was disgusted! ... ... i just hate such pple!

It's their own stupid fault they got kicked out of israel becuz they started to make war for some fµcking religion reason (well i dont know the full story either so maybe i have to shut my mouth but i dont do it!) ... Aint that pretty lame? .. .. .. And even if they dont have anything to do with that, celebrating is very very lame ... ... i hope those who were celebrating will get killed all! ...

Do you really think one person would have hijacked 4 planes and killed himself ... ... this is not a 4 man action, this is a well organized terrorist group (oklahoma in confrong was an ant to this hurricane)... i dont care where they come from, as long as they will get punished! ... once again this doenst affect the us only, but the whole world ... ... Stock market, economic reseccion, thousands of life ... ...!

---> well my friend ... Racism is overall ... In Africa and in Europe, as well as in the US ... ... ... ... Racism is a not very well defined word ... ... or let me say a misinterpretated word that is abbused in many cases ... ...! Well you lived there so i guess it would have been hard for you in some kind of ways and that's indeed the **** of life :( ... ... ... Im sorry to hear that!

cheers :beer:

Yasser

12th September 2001, 09:39

Originally posted by elchillum
It's their own stupid fault they got kicked out of israel becuz they started to make war for some fµcking religion reason (well i dont know the full story either so maybe i have to shut my mouth but i dont do it!) ... Aint that pretty lame? .. .. .. And even if they dont have anything to do with that, celebrating is very very lame ... ... i hope those who were celebrating will get killed all! ...
cheers :beer:

Elchi....its their country...Isreal came from over thew world to take it & u say its their fault?????? come one buddy u must be drunk..sorry..

if soemone takes your country Belguim..what will u do??? stand & smile to him?? or fight for your country????? they do what they want the Palestinians i mean..its their country..

As u said LIFE SUXXX or u said stars**...*

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 09:52

Originally posted by sheva rules

Elchi....its their country...Isreal came from over thew world to take it & u say its their fault?????? come one buddy u must be drunk..sorry..

if soemone takes your country Belguim..what will u do??? stand & smile to him?? or fight for your country????? they do what they want the Palestinians i mean..its their country..

As u said LIFE SUXXX or u said stars**...*

well belgium would not be torn apart by different religions becuz noone gives a fµck bout religion in here! ... ... Without religion there would be no war! ever thought of that? And if belgium was attacked the us would fight with us which is pretty normal becuz we are part of the navo ... !

---> Why is Burut bombed i ask myself? ... becuz the oppossition wants to strike back to those who did that!

ps: the pallestinians do what they want ... THATS RIGHT ... But they want America to help them and that's why they are mad at the us! ... FIRST THEY DIG THEIR OWN GRAVE BY STARTING A SENSELESS WAR AND THEN THEY ASK FOR HELP? ... ... Sorry but all i do here is some reasoning! ... ... Im not 100% up to date in those political things either but i see it this way!

ps: You say the Us are racists but apart from your family you think it's normal to have these bombings? .. ..

cheers :beer:

Yasser

12th September 2001, 10:42

ALL AMERICANS EXPECTED SUCH A THING...but this came as a surprise..... all americans knows how their goverment are acting..they help one side over aonther..they give Isreal money..weapons to kill..or what do u think the damn TAXES they are taking from their ppl..

i dont like things to go on like this.....

Walter said something really great at MM also other muslim members replied in an excellent way..

Yasser

12th September 2001, 10:47

Japanese Kamakzi linked..!! 50 yrs exactly after what happened in the world war 2..almost same way..destroying cities..BUT i dont blame anyone unless something is sure 100%...but this is wiring..just 2 weeks ago they celebrated the 50th anniversity of it..& they DEMANDED an applogise from the US who refused to say sorry..!!!

Anyway..never blame anyone unless you are 100% sure of it..not blame ppl for nothing..

Fréli

12th September 2001, 11:46

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

you read it and you'll find this is similar what happend in NEW YORK

:angryfi:

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 12:56

yes fréli this amazed me ... ... what a sentence ... ... where did u get it from? do you have other things ? If so please please post em becuz i was amazed by this sentence!

---> anyway i am not really blaming someone here in this case ... I only want to see the pple die that are celebrating this and the fool(s) who did this ... ...

---> becuz the US didnt say im sorry you must kill 10000 innocent pple? ... ... sheva rules I'm surprised at how you look at this case ... ... i wouldnt have expected that from you ... ... !

---> it's the biggest disaster ever and you act as it's their own fault! ... ... Without the US a lot of countries would be $hit on this planet and they prevent us from Sadam housain and pple like those and in stead of saying they only help one side of the medal ... they help 90% of everymothafµcking countries in tha world! NOT ENOUGH ... ... ? ... ... THANX TO THE USA A WARLESS LIFE would BE POSSIBLE IF OTHER COUNTRIES USED THEIR COMMON SENSE!

cheers :beer:

Kyara

12th September 2001, 14:21

I must say I'm really shocked by what I'm reading here!!
Everytime when something happens, everyone starts to blame muslims for it although they know nothing about who had done this to the Americans .... I'm not saying that I'm happy for what happened, I mean a lot of innocent people died in this attack but you should keep in mind all the poor Palistinians who are dieing from almost 50 years ... Where was your America at that time Elchi?? Where were those sensitive people who are crying today for the victim's families??!! No one even thought about them ... 50 years of Isreali occupation for the Palistinian lands!! 50 years under the mercy of those monsters ... And not to forget, under the command and the help of their mamma America!!! Can you give me just one reason why America is helping Isreal all the time?? Can you tell me why are they always on their side?? Of course you're living in Europe Elchi, and you're seeing only have of the facts ... Perhaps you don't see all the violence that Isreal practises against Palistine, perhaps the TV channels in your countries cut most of the real scenes ... Or other wise I would say that you're totaly blind!!!! When Isreal kill the innocent people wether they were children nor elders, no body talks ... No one even dares to say a thing ... All what they talk about is "We have to stop the violence" "We have to stop terrorism" ... And when you see the real side you notice that they're doing nothing ... They're just talking and talking!!! They're afraid that America is gonna take Isreal's side as usual 'cause of the crap that they say about the right's of Iseal to own this country ... While all the books of history says loudly and clearly that the jews have no right in Palistine ... They're just a bunch of people who spread all around the world with no country, so they try to control the country of others ... They try to steal Palistine frome it's reall honors!!! Why would YOUR AMERICA defend such a country?? Because you're in Europe you hear that America is just trying to defend the innocent Isreali's!!! Because you're in Europe you hear that America cares about Human Beings, that's why they're defending them!!! But I'll tell you what, When Iraq Occupied Kuwait, America sent their forces to bring back the rightsof the Kuwaities 'cause THERE COUNTRY was occupied and until now they are sorounding Iraq with there forces although it's been 11 years already ... Now tell me, how come Iraqi's are so evil and bad 'cause they attacked Kuwait although Isreal is doing the same thing and worse for about 50 years!! How come America is running to save Kuwait and leaving the poor Palistinians alone!!! What about those millions of Iraqi's who are dieing 'cause they have no food to eat, no medicine to be treated with!! There children are dieing even before being born .... Why don't they do the same for Isreal!! Where is your sensitive America now!! :badra: Trust me Elchi, you no nothing about what's happening in the middle east, you only see half of the truth on the Eropean channels ... And you say that they're the ones who started the war!! Because of some religion stuff!!!!!!!!!! Tell me something Elchi, if you don't defend your country, If you're not living for your religion, then what are you living for!!!!???? You're just practising your normal luxury life, eating, sleeping and doing whatever is on your mind while those people are living under the mercy of those pigs expecting any bomb to fall over their heads in any second!!! 50 years living under this feeling ... How would you like it Elchi!!?? You say that they're only fighting for religion? Only?? Is that what you have to say about religion!!??? Religion is the most important thing in our lives man, what's gonna control your life if religion doesn't??!! Why are you living in the first place?? Eating and sleeping just like animals!!! And why do all the people attack Islam when anything happens!!! People no nothing about Islam OK? You have no right to come even close to this religion when you know nothing about it ... Just try to search a little bit about it and you'll find that it's the most peacfull religions in the world, 'cause it comes directly from God, 'cause he created us and he knows what's best for us ... Even if the people who had done this are muslims (Although there is no prove of that except the American crap!!), you guys must know that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism ... Just 'cause some people understand the religion in a wrong way, that doesn't mean that the religion is bad ... Don't make any thoughts in your minds because you know absolutly nothing!!!

Today the media is making all this noise for what happened yesterday ... All of them are very sorry for what happened ... Just like Americans are the human beings and others are animals!!!

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!

:angryfi: :angryfi: :angryfi: :angryfi: :angryfi:

Rossoneri

12th September 2001, 14:40

See Elchi, now you make my sister angry!!

I don't want to talk much about this, because it is a politics, and I hate politics. This thing make the world more and more apart, problems, etc..

But just to say few points:

1- Palestine celebrating what happened to US.
This is for Elchi, as an answer.

They celebrate, not because people died, but because US was defeated in the most historical way. They were happy to see the country which was the main reason for losing their lands, being defeated very greatly. THE Great US was returned to its real size. That's why they were celebrating.

But not for the death of the hundred of people. They sure show simpathy for them "in their hearts", but they wanted to tell the US that "You taste now the feelings of the innocent people that you punished all your life". I would give too many examples here, but I don't want to talk much about this.

Just one football example:
During 1992 and 1993, Milan didn't lose a single match in the league for 16 monthes. And then they finally were defeated in Meazza against Parma 1-0.

The newspaper in my country wrote a nice thing:
"At last Milan lost, and at last the Italian teams are happy".

It is quite similar in a way (ONLY). You know, you see that the Italians were happy because Milan lost. Not because they hate the players or something like that, but because they finally could see this team losing.

2- One thing to say for Elchi:
I was always good and nice in reply to anything that anyone said. I respect everyone, no matter what is there colour or religion or nationality.
But in what you said, you attacked what is called "religion" and you even went so far and said that it is the reason for the wars!!!
Just to remind you:
UAE were occupied by England & Portugal for long time and they suffered the pain.
And nearly all Arab countries "except Saudi" were occupied by European countries because of money, oil and the good location. NO RELIGION envolved.

And also, the two World Wars weren't because of religion.

Finally: what you said is like an insult for me and all the people who spend there lives to be nice and worship God!!! For this I say: "THANK YOU Elchi, you are so great with these GREAT insults". Now you are # 1 in the forum for sure!!!

This forum is a way to make friendships, not to bring people apart , please respect the others.[

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 14:53

Yo kyara replying on this i could bring out my new book!

---> just in case i never really attacked the islam if im not wrong but you got to admit that fundamentalists are wrong!

Tell me something Elchi, if you don't defend your country, If you're not living for your religion, then what are you living for!!!!????

---> my religion is atheist! ... ... My religion is truth, being affraid of noone but myself and Milan! Why should you blelieve! RELIGION HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN IT HAS HEALED ... ... ! But whateva you wanna believe bout religion ... ... I respect if you have one but dont tell me what my life is when i dont believe! That's my damn business only!

Or me defending my country ... ... what the hell has that to do with everything? ... ... we pay taxes you know and that's why we build an army for those who want to fight... ... ! ... ... dont know if many are killed there or whateva you say but then you also can say ... poor somalia, no foood! DAMN AMERICA BECUZ THEY DONT HELP US ... ... ... The US do more than they have to do in this world and if pple fµck it up there is always to blame the US ... but you should get started to blame the ones who started it! !

If one country with diffirent religions or political views and they are too fanatic bout it then you create war my friends ... that's what i see! doesnt matter if the us comes into play for these things or not! we are all grown human beings and it is sad that we make war for peanuts! ... ... agree with me or not but all war is useless!

it are those who fight back who will get it back doulbe! Belgium also suffered big war in 45 (long time ago but still) ... by some fanatic BRAINWASHER that said jews must be killed etc! DONT GET ME STARTED ... ... What the **** is wrong with pple these days?

cheers! :beer:

Call Me 7 Cups

12th September 2001, 14:56

i am out from this discussion, i just cry for who is died, no time to laugh, today i cry for americans, tomorrow i'll cry for arabs, another day for europeans and so for africans and asians, in sad days there's no space for any laugh

i am out from this dicussions.

cheers

Yasser

12th September 2001, 14:57

Yeps agreed 100% with Rossoneri & Kyara for sure..

& what do u want me to say Elchi..? what is it that u didnt expect me to say?...come on dont be emotional.. dont follow ur heart..use ur mind.. all this happening..!

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 14:58

Originally posted by Rossoneri
See Elchi, now you make my sister angry!!

I don't want to talk much about this, because it is a politics, and I hate politics. This thing make the world more and more apart, problems, etc..

But just to say few points:

1- Palestine celebrating what happened to US.
This is for Elchi, as an answer.

They celebrate, not because people died, but because US was defeated in the most historical way. They were happy to see the country which was the main reason for losing their lands, being defeated very greatly. THE Great US was returned to its real size. That's why they were celebrating.

But not for the death of the hundred of people. They sure show simpathy for them "in their hearts", but they wanted to tell the US that "You taste now the feelings of the innocent people that you punished all your life". I would give too many examples here, but I don't want to talk much about this.

Just one football example:
During 1992 and 1993, Milan didn't lose a single match in the league for 16 monthes. And then they finally were defeated in Meazza against Parma 1-0.

The newspaper in my country wrote a nice thing:
"At last Milan lost, and at last the Italian teams are happy".

It is quite similar in a way (ONLY). You know, you see that the Italians were happy because Milan lost. Not because they hate the players or something like that, but because they finally could see this team losing.

2- One thing to say for Elchi:
I was always good and nice in reply to anything that anyone said. I respect everyone, no matter what is there colour or religion or nationality.
But in what you said, you attacked what is called "religion" and you even went so far and said that it is the reason for the wars!!!
Just to remind you:
UAE were occupied by England & Portugal for long time and they suffered the pain.
And nearly all Arab countries "except Saudi" were occupied by European countries because of money, oil and the good location. NO RELIGION envolved.

And also, the two World Wars weren't because of religion.

Finally: what you said is like an insult for me and all the people who spend there lives to be nice and worship God!!! For this I say: "THANK YOU Elchi, you are so great with these GREAT insults". Now you are # 1 in the forum for sure!!!

This forum is a way to make friendships, not to bring people apart , please respect the others.[

EEEEEEEXXXXXXXXCUUUUUUUUUSEEEEEEEEEEE ME FOR SAYING WHAT I THINK AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN ... ... I respect everyone's religion but i still believe if there would be no religion we all would be the same i feel ... ... think about that! ... you cant think bout that becuzyou cant imagine i guess!

And if everyone would reason like the palestinians we should all kill eachother untill there is noone left on this earth!

And bout the UAE im very sorry that money was involved ... ... also the oil wars are stupid i agree ... ... money is a nasty thing!

cheers :beer:

Yasser

12th September 2001, 15:01

well if there were no religions Elchi >>> God wouldnt have put us on earth from the start..

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 15:02

Originally posted by sheva rules
Yeps agreed 100% with Rossoneri & Kyara for sure..

& what do u want me to say Elchi..? what is it that u didnt expect me to say?...come on dont be emotional.. dont follow ur heart..use ur mind.. all this happening..!

That you didnt even care bout those who were killed ... it seemed that way ... ... you just say .. hmm yeah all right it's pretty normal!

---> Rossoneri: Your thoughts are your thing and my thoughts are my thing! ... ... I am not responsible if you feel insulted by my honest oppinion ... it's your mind and you develop it like you think you should! And that's everyone's right isnt it?

cheers :beer:

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 15:03

Originally posted by sheva rules
well if there were no religions Elchi >>> God wouldnt have put us on earth from the start..

Says who? ... ... 4000 years ago +- there was no religion but there were pple on earth ... right?

---> maybe it would have been betta not to put us on earth if you see us killing eachother! ? ... dontyou think?

cheers :beer:

Rossoneri

12th September 2001, 15:04

Originally posted by Diavoletto
i am out from this discussion, i just cry for who is died, no time to laugh, today i cry for americans, tomorrow i'll cry for arabs, another day for europeans and so for africans and asians, in sad days there's no space for any laugh

i am out from this dicussions.

cheers

Mau it is also bad what happened to the people who died. No one would be happy to see people "black, white..etc" dead..

Our simpathy for the lives that were dead for sure.

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 15:05

And like mau said ... it's sad americans die, africans die, columbians die or whoever ... ... i 100% agree on that!

---> for the rest i dont want trouble with you guys!

cheers :beer:

Rossoneri

12th September 2001, 15:09

Originally posted by elchillum

Says who? ... ... 4000 years ago +- there was no religion but there were pple on earth ... right?

---> maybe it would have been betta not to put us on earth if you see us killing eachother! ? ... dontyou think?

cheers :beer:

There was a religion Elchi, but you don't know.
Anyone, it is wrong to talk about religions in a forum... If youw ant, we can discuss this in an email and we can say things politely..

You seems angry.. Please don't be angry. No one is happy to see people dead. But you will see people happy because they see the spooky US in its real size.

Yasser

12th September 2001, 15:13

i dont like ppl to be killed Elchi...but u MUST know whats really going on for both sides..not look at the side u like & ignore the other...like Kyara said..

also... >>>>> i dunno why have ppl started to blame the palestinians..??? they have nothing to do with this ...

they celebrated..Rossoneri said the reason why..

anyway as Mau said stop this discussion..its finished..& will cause probs..

Yasser

12th September 2001, 15:29

just to add...i said it in some other posts .... MY FAMILY IS THERE...so do u think i like them to die???? is it normal???? ahhh??

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 16:24

Originally posted by Rossoneri

There was a religion Elchi, but you don't know.
Anyone, it is wrong to talk about religions in a forum... If youw ant, we can discuss this in an email and we can say things politely..

You seems angry.. Please don't be angry. No one is happy to see people dead. But you will see people happy because they see the spooky US in its real size.

Well im angry at what happened certainly not angry at you ro so (and also not at any other religion)... IMO i didnt insult you or anyone else i just brought up what i felt and what i think ... ...

It's not abnormal to be anry if you see pple fùcked up like this in the world who do such terrorism ...!

cheers :beer:

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 16:27

Originally posted by sheva rules
i dont like ppl to be killed Elchi...but u MUST know whats really going on for both sides..not look at the side u like & ignore the other...like Kyara said..

also... >>>>> i dunno why have ppl started to blame the palestinians..??? they have nothing to do with this ...

they celebrated..Rossoneri said the reason why..

anyway as Mau said stop this discussion..its finished..& will cause probs..

Yeah all right there is a lot going on but the initial war between israel and palestina have nothing to do with the us!

For the rest we all have our oppinions and maybe it's betta to stop this discussion before i get more controversial than eminem :pi:

---> im no racist, i respect all religions but i dont believe in any of them! ... ...! I just want those to be punished who did this! ...

cheers :beer:

Leffe

12th September 2001, 16:54

The only thing I have to say that I don't care who did this, I know only one thing they need to be punished HARD :angryfi: :angryfi:

Those people he did this and planned this attack don't deserve to life in my opinion, they're pure evil :angryfi: :angryfi: :angryfi:

God bless America and I pray for every person who lost a loved one in these barbaric attack :angel:

Yasser

12th September 2001, 16:58

Elchi buddy..just to know how muslims acted for this thing..

Elchi..i have photos but the problem they arent the type that can be attached here..i'll make them work then attach them..the photos i got from LA..not arab countries just to know..

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 17:00

Originally posted by sheva rules
Elchi buddy..just to know how muslims acted for this thing..

Elchi..i have photos but the problem they arent the type that can be attached here..i'll make them work then attach them..the photos i got from LA..not arab countries just to know..

yo allright ... ... ---> > > > >

cheers :beer:

Yasser

12th September 2001, 17:06

they were praying for the ppl who died ........

Kyara

12th September 2001, 17:33

Originally posted by elchillum
Yo kyara replying on this i could bring out my new book!

---> just in case i never really attacked the islam if im not wrong but you got to admit that fundamentalists are wrong!

Tell me something Elchi, if you don't defend your country, If you're not living for your religion, then what are you living for!!!!????

---> my religion is atheist! ... ... My religion is truth, being affraid of noone but myself and Milan! Why should you blelieve! RELIGION HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN IT HAS HEALED ... ... ! But whateva you wanna believe bout religion ... ... I respect if you have one but dont tell me what my life is when i dont believe! That's my damn business only!

Or me defending my country ... ... what the hell has that to do with everything? ... ... we pay taxes you know and that's why we build an army for those who want to fight... ... ! ... ... dont know if many are killed there or whateva you say but then you also can say ... poor somalia, no foood! DAMN AMERICA BECUZ THEY DONT HELP US ... ... ... The US do more than they have to do in this world and if pple fµck it up there is always to blame the US ... but you should get started to blame the ones who started it! !

If one country with diffirent religions or political views and they are too fanatic bout it then you create war my friends ... that's what i see! doesnt matter if the us comes into play for these things or not! we are all grown human beings and it is sad that we make war for peanuts! ... ... agree with me or not but all war is useless!

it are those who fight back who will get it back doulbe! Belgium also suffered big war in 45 (long time ago but still) ... by some fanatic BRAINWASHER that said jews must be killed etc! DONT GET ME STARTED ... ... What the **** is wrong with pple these days?

cheers! :beer:

Yeah Elchi, perhaps your religion and thoughts are non of my buisniss!!! But I said what I said just as an advise for you, you're my friend after all!!!!! And it's up to you!!

About Somalia, I would say that there's a huge difference between the two cases ... Somalia are starving, Iraq are having problems 'cause America the criminals don'tallow food and medicines for them!! And who said that we need there help!! They are sorrounding Iraq means that they are the reason for what's happening there, It doesn't mean that we're asking for there help!!!!!!!!!!!!

On what you think about religions, IMO religion is there to help us organize our lives and whatever is happening is just because of the human beings ... For example, if you have a factory it can't move on without rules and regulations ... The world is the same, it can't move without rules!! And if something wrong happens in the factory it won't be because of the rules but because of the human beings, because they don't respect those rules although they're for their own good!! Because they always want more and always not satisfied with what they have!!!

After all it's your buisness as you said, one day you'll realize what I mean En Sha Allah ...

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 18:33

On what you think about religions, IMO religion is there to help us organize our lives and whatever is happening is just because of the human beings ... For example, if you have a factory it can't move on without rules and regulations ... The world is the same, it can't move without rules!! And if something wrong happens in the factory it won't be because of the rules but because of the human beings, because they don't respect those rules although they're for their own good!! Because they always want more and always not satisfied with what they have!!!

---> well great you feel good with it :) ... ... I dont so that's another story right! We live in different countries, with different pple, with different colour, with different religion and i think that's good!

---> well for sure i like you all and i hope everything will come allright!

---> yeah you are right bout what you said bout rules etc... ... but still i think there are a lot of religion wars ... ... what i see is 2 differnt pple in one country that hate eachother ... ... i think that's sad ... why cant they live with eachother? ... ...!

That was what i was referring to ... ... ... maybe you need a religion but my inner strenght is strong enough to move on on my own! Ive done it 21 years in a row and i will for the rest of my life! ... ...!

cheers :beer:

Fréli

12th September 2001, 18:35

Look what is happening with us guys!!!
Let's shut up about religion its people who do this terror not religion
we are all friends here and not enemy's

Not even the Us know who is the blame they all say BIN LADEN but hey have they got the evidence??!!!

When the time comes revenge will be sweet

FORZA MILAN

MAY GOD BE WITH ALL WHO SUFFER IN AMERICA

I'm not religion i've got no strong believes in a god
but i'm human and that counts!!!!

Yasser

12th September 2001, 18:41

Originally posted by Fréli
Look what is happening with us guys!!!
Let's shut up about religion its people who do this terror not religion
we are all friends here and not enemy's

Not even the Us know who is the blame they all say BIN LADEN but hey have they got the evidence??!!!

When the time comes revenge will be sweet

Freli buddy..that what ive trying to say..why blame Bin Ladin or any tohers if u dont have any evidence..

& yeps another one i agree >> shut up the religion talking better...everyone MUST respect the others religions..

Fréli

12th September 2001, 18:46

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

again i post this becuze it has a very scary context

+++

TO EVERYONE CUT YOURSELF LOOK AT YOUR COLOR OF BLOOD
ALL PEOPLE ARE SAME!!!!!!

Elchillum

12th September 2001, 20:03

Hehe you got inspired by Aryton Senna ? .. :pi:

---> we all breath the same air ;)

---> fréli you gave me the url of yahoo but do you have other statements that refer to this?

cheers :beer:

KONDR

12th September 2001, 21:21

Rossoneri how the f... did they defeat America. Thay only defeated themselves that way. Dont u understand that now america could bomb all palestina and Iran and not a lot of people would be against it. In palestina people are animals to celebrate killing about 50000 innocent people. And u are saying that only israeli kill palestinians? while israelis are killed too. And not less.
Also israeli had that land thousands of years ago. So thay have a right to be there.
And Islam is peaceful?!How about taliban and rules of shariat(dont know how to spell it in english). I think that it was proved that Bin Laden is connected to this.
Good u mentioned Iraq. Do u know how Hussin and his government is living. Better than Bush. While his people are starving. I also think that leaders of terrorists are living not so bad too. Bin Laden is a millioner. He could all his money to some hospitals. But no, he spends them on killing people.

Ruairi

12th September 2001, 23:07

First of all we must think of how awful this is and remember the dead, and the missing.

A few months ago i was in NY, on the top of the world trade centre. Its an awful thought to think that where i was a plane crashed through:eek:

I also have several relations in Ny. Luckily all are well, but an Aunt of mine until a few months ago worked in a building that is now gone. An other uncle of mine is a priest: HE has spent all day consoling the families of the dead and missing.

As to religion, from Ireland it is obvious how much trouble it causes. Don't go there.

Whether Bin Laden or whoever else did this must be found, but it is no use for us to speculate :angryfi:

I won't even try to clean up this thread:it would take me days:eek:

Just hope more people are brought out alive and no more acts like thgese

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 08:11

Yeah Kondr you have a point to ... you just brought the other way of the medal ...!

But Islam and Laden have nothing to do with eachother i think ... He's a fundamentalist = an exagerated idology! ... ... also the brigatte rosso in the past was violent but they were not a religion but an idology so ... ... I still agree with what i said in my other posts but everything that's fanatic in some kind of way must be killed ... but striking back on some country wouldnt be the case either! ... the US must demolish only those pple who have something to do with this terrorism and destroy the brainwashers that recrute those kids to kill themselves and then the world will change !

And yeah, im pretty sure Ruari knows what it means uhm ... ... Ireland was also torn apart by believe just like youguslavia etc ... ... also a lot of explosion and that's really really sad!

As last i want to comment bout palestinians ... ... what we saw on tv, apparantly doesnt go for all of them! i saw also a few on tv yesterday that were very sad bout it ... ... ... ... so I really dont know what to think bout all of this! ... ... Problem is there are thousands of fundamentalists in the US, in Europe etc... ... i think not a violent war will begin but a very very strategic war and infiltrants must find them and kill them!

cheers :beer:

Kyara

13th September 2001, 09:29

Originally posted by KONDR
Rossoneri how the f... did they defeat America. Thay only defeated themselves that way. Dont u understand that now america could bomb all palestina and Iran and not a lot of people would be against it. In palestina people are animals to celebrate killing about 50000 innocent people. And u are saying that only israeli kill palestinians? while israelis are killed too. And not less.
Also israeli had that land thousands of years ago. So thay have a right to be there.
And Islam is peaceful?!How about taliban and rules of shariat(dont know how to spell it in english). I think that it was proved that Bin Laden is connected to this.
Good u mentioned Iraq. Do u know how Hussin and his government is living. Better than Bush. While his people are starving. I also think that leaders of terrorists are living not so bad too. Bin Laden is a millioner. He could all his money to some hospitals. But no, he spends them on killing people.

Yes Kondr, we understand that they could bomb all Palestine and Iran ... Tell me who's the real terrorist right now??!! :goof:
About people celebrating, Rossoneri already said why they were celebarating, 'cause the American nose is finally cut!!! There noses were very high thinking that no one could ever defeat them but they were wrong, 'cause everything that has a start, has an END ... And I hope that it's their end now!!!

On what you think about Saddam, he may have made some mistakes only when he occupied Kuwait, but what's happening for the Iraqi people (And I'm saying this for the fifty million time) is only because of your America :badra: They're not allowing food and medicine to them 'cause they pretend to think that he has weapons in the country!!! Ignoring the fact that they're the first source of weapons for Israel, who hit palistine with neuclec weapons few monthes ago!!! Or you haven't heard about that?? Of course, you'll only hear what's on the Israeli's side!!!

About Israeli's gitting killed, please give me a break!!
I think that you could realize the deference between a soldier who's covered with the newest kinds of weapons and armors(Thanx to America!!) and between a child who is throwing a stone to protect himself of those monsters!!! For this case, Rossoneri and I wil try our best to post some pictures that would show you who's the real terrorist ....

And who told you that Israel have any right control Palestine!!??? All the people know the fact that the jews are spread all around the world with no home, so they planned to take Palestine claiming that they have rights there!!! Oh, you don't want me to give you a history lesson now!! Or maybe I already have :D :D

About Islam and terrorism, please before I say anything wrong just try to ask anyone who knows about Islam, what Islam really is(In case you don't believe me) ... It's peacful peacfull peacfull and I repeat a millon time, It's peacfull ... Try to read some (right) books about it and then jumb into conclusions!!! What some of the muslim people are doing doesn't mean the Islam asks them to do that, It's their own ideas!!! And there is no evidence that Bin Laden is resposaple about anything that happened ....

Guys, I'm sorry that I'm talking so politicaly these days, but I can't understand the fact that you guys don't know anything about the truth!! And who's killing who!!!

Just one last political advise from me ... If the US or any other country helps another, make sure to remember that they're not doing this 'cause they're in love with you!! They're just doing it for there own good!!!!
That's how politics is ...
That's why I hate it ...

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 09:59

Yeah you gonna post pics of poor palestinians right ... ... just to show that israel is good? ... ... naaa betta post nothing becuz then someone else will find pics of Isreal pple killed etc and then we go on foreva!

---> well you almost defending houssain ???? ... ... well in stead of blaming the us of their attacks, isnt it the leaders of THEIR country's fault ? ...
YES IT IS! If Saddam didnt act that gay the US would have helped!

Im out of this discussion ... ... otherwise we going to repeat the pirlo thread of some months ago :pi:

cheers :beer:

Call Me 7 Cups

13th September 2001, 10:45

ERASED

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 11:21

Originally posted by Diavoletto
Well Kyara, Saddam ! pfff what a man he lives in Gold super protected he is ultra rich, he has all the food, cash, medicines he wants, he is a Pharaon there, and he doesn't cares much about Iraqi ppl for sure ! USa attacks Innocents in Iraq for sure, but Iraqi just complain at USA Army and not at that BA****D of their leader ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

kick SADDAM from his place and no more pains for IRAQI PPL
that's all !

* SADDAM USES HIS POOR PEOPLE AND TAKES CARE OF HIS ECONOMIC EMPIRE *+

That's what we do in Europe if a leader cares only about himself being ultra rich when the people is ultra poor ! we don't accept that, Iraqi ppl accepts that.

SADDAM says to the poor civils: "In the name of Allah, fight against the Americans !"

this surely doesn't helps poor ppl with food or medicines.

then ? SADDAM reaches his target, make riots, charge his ppl up all against USA

then USA bomb IRaq, ppl dies, suffers, what's changed ? Saddam's empire is still safe, all covered, and he will sayd: you see ? americans are evil they kill innocents, the day after his ppl suffers more, and Saddam is still rich and charges ppl in the name of Allah][why in the name of Allah, he doesn't think to give his fortune to help is people? this would be agreat thing !] this man is a fake fox, he doesn't care to Allah or Iraqi ppl, he cares to Kuwait petroil and $$$

that's all.

I couldnt agree more on that my friend! ... ... The US always want to solve cases in a normal way but if the leaders of a country are impossible to work with NOONE can do something against those brainwash politics!

I really hope they gonna find those pple who recture terrorists! They say yeah we only recrute for our freedom but they learn to make bombs! ... ... with learning how to create your freedom you create walking timebombs!

cheers :beer:

Yasser

13th September 2001, 12:19

w/my respect..but non of u are talking in a lgical way..

the one who really is great from all of u is walter..w/respect to all..

Bin Ladin just to know >>> was with America in the late 80s .. so just dont show guyz how fools you are..know why he turned on them..check old stories..

Call Me 7 Cups

13th September 2001, 12:33

Yasser, someone talked about Saddam, i answered about Saddam.

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 13:16

Originally posted by sheva rules
w/my respect..but non of u are talking in a lgical way..

the one who really is great from all of u is walter..w/respect to all..

Bin Ladin just to know >>> was with America in the late 80s .. so just dont show guyz how fools you are..know why he turned on them..check old stories..

Walter might be right Walter might be wrong ... there is so many truth and untrue things behind this scene!

---> saying to me ea i talk in a very unlogical way depends from what side you see it!

---> So you defend Bin Ladin sheva rules? ... is that what you try to tell us? ... ...!

cheers :beer:

Yasser

13th September 2001, 13:30

i'm not defending Bin Ladin..& am not attacking anyone..

Walter said every where u have good & bad ppl...& ppl arent the whole religion..i mean if u see some ppl acting bad >>> dont just be a fool & say this religion is bad...or so..

Bin Ladin my friend was the US baby boy till the early 90s just to know..when all things changed in the ex-Soviet union..its not my problem if u know nothing in this world..

& BIN LADIN rich >>>> ummm maybe yaa..but he isnt richer than the US ..!

& the subject isnt Bin Ladin at all...

i dunno who entered him here...what should i do with him..i dont care abt him or anyone else..

& IF SOME FOOLS says i'm happy for this >>> so just shut da f*** up coz as i sadi my family is there...& i lived there..this should concern me more than anyone here.. & I SAID all Americans were expecting something bad..u will say no one expected this..well i'm not saying this one exactly..but msut americans doesnt feel proud of what their goverment is doing..

I LIVED THERE & I"M NOT TALKING FROM WHAT I HEAR ONLY LIKE MOST OF U HERE...go & live there..u will know how its really like there..then come & discuss with me..but just dont reply in in case u know only the side of the story which u like..or u want..

JUST TODAY for example >>>> isreal attacked palestinians youngsters aged between 15-17 & just today..a soccer match was played there, too >>> Isreal killed some players while they were playing soccer..i wonder Mau, Elchi & others...have u heard of this? or ur media just shows the side they want & like..?

Yasser

13th September 2001, 13:35

ok if as u think its easy abt Saddam..well give Iraqis a help & kick out Saddam...

Rossoneri, Kyara & me are telling u >>> u only get the story from one side....

i'm not defending Saddam...he attacked us here in KSA in the gulf was in the last decade...

MAU i wonder...if Berlusconi is a bad leader, just example only..& is doing bad tyhings everywhere...u will like it if all U italinas get no food...& so? Americans are killing everyday hundrends of kids in Iraq..

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 13:46

Originally posted by sheva rules
i'm not defending Bin Ladin..& am not attacking anyone..

Walter said every where u have good & bad ppl...& ppl arent the whole religion..i mean if u see some ppl acting bad >>> dont just be a fool & say this religion is bad...or so..

Bin Ladin my friend was the US baby boy till the early 90s just to know..when all things changed in the ex-Soviet union..its not my problem if u know nothing in this world..

& BIN LADIN rich >>>> ummm maybe yaa..but he isnt richer than the US ..!

& the subject isnt Bin Ladin at all...

i dunno who entered him here...what should i do with him..i dont care abt him or anyone else..

& IF SOME FOOLS says i'm happy for this >>> so just shut da f*** up coz as i sadi my family is there...& i lived there..this should concern me more than anyone here.. & I SAID all Americans were expecting something bad..u will say no one expected this..well i'm not saying this one exactly..but msut americans doesnt feel proud of what their goverment is doing..

I LIVED THERE & I"M NOT TALKING FROM WHAT I HEAR ONLY LIKE MOST OF U HERE...go & live there..u will know how its really like there..then come & discuss with me..but just dont reply in in case u know only the side of the story which u like..or u want..

JUST TODAY for example >>>> isreal attacked palestinians youngsters aged between 15-17 & just today..a soccer match was played there, too >>> Isreal killed some players while they were playing soccer..i wonder Mau, Elchi & others...have u heard of this? or ur media just shows the side they want & like..?

---> of course in every country and situation you have the good and the bad!

---> Ladin so rich ... of course not richer than the us! but 1 billion times poorer than the us would still be rich!

---> I think he got entered in this forum becuz it's 90% sure he is the one that is behind these attacks ..; that's not what i invented but what goes on in the world!

---> I didnt say if you were happy bout this i just asked the some questions just to know how you feel that's all!

---> The media cant be everywhere ... ... I am sure a lot of news frmo south africa wont reach us and you neither so the closer you live to Israel the more you will know bout it, true ...! But it's indeed bad that they kill eachother there but if the leaders of that country had used their minds before it was too late no war would have been fought! ... ... yeah and the pple carry the wounds which is sad! ... what can i say to this? ... ... Evil has been struck to innocent pple who have totally nothing to do with tihs ... ... this aint fair neither! ...... ...... Behind every war there is a history behind ...

Striking evil with evil is what that terrorism organisation did! Like i said let's kill eachother so noone will be left ... that's how they think!

It's like Mcveigh! pple in Europe almost had sympathy for him becuz he was such a normal boy and he had fought in the war etc etc and he got frustrated! It doesnt make him any less a killer! No sympathy for those pple!

cheers :beer:

Elchillum

13th September 2001, 13:49

Originally posted by sheva rules
ok if as u think its easy abt Saddam..well give Iraqis a help & kick out Saddam...

Rossoneri, Kyara & me are telling u >>> u only get the story from one side....

i'm not defending Saddam...he attacked us here in KSA in the gulf was in the last decade...

MAU i wonder...if Berlusconi is a bad leader, just example only..& is doing bad tyhings everywhere...u will like it if all U italinas get no food...& so? Americans are killing everyday hundrends of kids in Iraq..

Why cant iraqies kick him out? ... it's their country for got sake! Do the US have to do everything themselves!

ps: they even tried to kill him many times but it didnt work! ... ...!

I know we only get the story from one side but this terrorism no matter how you look at it is bad! The world wont go on many years like this!

cheers :beer:

Yasser

13th September 2001, 13:56

Originally posted by elchillum

---> of course in every country and situation you have the good and the bad!

---> Ladin so rich ... of course not richer than the us! but 1 billion times poorer than the us would still be rich!

---> I think he got entered in this forum becuz it's 90% sure he is the one that is behind these attacks ..; that's not what i invented but what goes on in the world!

---> I didnt say if you were happy bout this i just asked the some questions just to know how you feel that's all!

---> The media cant be everywhere ... ... I am sure a lot of news frmo south africa wont reach us and you neither so the closer you live to Israel the more you will know bout it, true ...! But it's indeed bad that they kill eachother there but if the leaders of that country had used their minds before it was too late no war would have been fought! ... ... yeah and the pple carry the wounds which is sad! ... what can i say to this? ... ... Evil has been struck to innocent pple who have totally nothing to do with tihs ... ... this aint fair neither! ...... ...... Behind every war there is a history behind ...

Striking evil with evil is what that terrorism organisation did! Like i said let's kill eachother so noone will be left ... that's how they think!

It's like Mcveigh! pple in Europe almost had sympathy for him becuz he was such a normal boy and he had fought in the war etc etc and he got frustrated! It doesnt make him any less a killer! No sympathy for those pple!

cheers :beer:

richer than me, u ... thats nit the point..dont care if hes rich or no..

ppl in forum belive in him...ummm evven the US didnt blame him..so i wonder will u guys know more than them?

iraq >>> well give them ur help if then..they trieed & failed..
DONT BLAME anyone for something u r nnot sure..all fingers went on arabs for the Oklahoma thing..then it was an american..

THE MEDIA cant be everywhere??? well so just dont say the half of the story only..