>>> TOTTI - AC MILAN <<<

[Yasser]

** An email.. **

The official announcement has not been made and we have to be patient until the end of august but what we know for certain is that FRANCESCO TOTTI already belongs to Milan.
I am not only saying this based on the public statements or my own conclusions but last night I spoke to some reliable friends who work for another Milan leader that starts with a ”B” and ends with ”IDA”.
This leader has said that ”Il Pupone” has already signed for Milan with the condition that they cannot announce the deal due to a decision taken in agreement with Roma. In fact if it would be announced actions against Roma can lead to a severe decrease in sold seasontickets which definitely could do great harm to the reputation of president Franco Sensi, The deal will be publically announced at the end of august just like in the Nesta-affair last summer.

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This follows some hints, posts and news that were given out here in DM..

1st was back in March.. Things then improved in May and a deal between Totti's brother and Braida was agreed in the start of June.. Just a week after Totti's agent was in Berlusconi's yacht.. Eating a fish dish ;)

Capello, Totti himself, Carlo Ancelotti.. And few others also gave hints about such a deal..

ps: Email was from a member in DM, someone who also believed in Nesta's deal as much as I did :pi:

Grazie Euan ;)

[Yasser]

ps: For english translation, thx to Michael :D

[ThunderKiss]

Thanx for the update ;)

BUT, until he's holding the red & black shirt, flanked by Galliani & Braida....its all a load of BS :D (joking not offending)

[Nicolas]

This is simply fantastic news, Thanx for bringing them Yasser, I am simply estatic!!!!!

[Milko]

You must be kidding!!!!!!! If this is true........ Well I just don't know what I will do! Yasser, is this sure, or are you just playing with us?? Please say it is truth and nothing but the truth.
However, does this exclude Kaka? I would really love to see this future star with us. do you have any info about him. Porhaps from the same source;) ;) ;)

[Qasá]

im not doubting, nor rejoicing just simply a neutral ; like andy i will not be assuming anything until he is holding the shirt in the trophy room

[GattusoKing]

Okay, I`m 110% sold :thumb: Yasser doesnt get this excited unless its a done deal, so all we need do now is sit back and await the end of August for what is arguably the biggest transfer in footballing history :clap: :clap: We`ll have to make his arrival date a public holiday :pi:

Thanks to Yasser and his covert sources :beer:

[Mix]

Yada yada yada... The deal is done folks! :D

Enjoy life and stay out of Rome! EHEHEHE!! :D

[Yasser]

However, Roma are struggling for fresh funds and needed an increase in capital to register for this year’s Serie A championship.

The search for a striker continues, but the director of sport freely admits they cannot sign Real Madrid’s Fernando Morientes yet.

“Before we can buy a forward we must first sell a member of our current squad,” he revealed.

Yet another hint, Roma admits they have to sell someone.. But not Emerson, not Montella, not Samuel, not Cassano and it's someone to fund moves on the market !!!

[Nicolas]

Thanx a lot Yasser for keeping our spirit up, give our most grateful regards to Walter and your other sources....this is simply fantastic...

[Milko]

Here I come again. Porhaps you may call me stupid, becous instead of discussing Totti I worry about KAKA. But believe me, guy is the future. Yasser how are we on him??? PLEASE!!!! What do your sources say????

THANK YOU

[prebensen]

This is simply fantastic :clap: I'm simply ecstatic, man this news is the best since the Sandro deal :D
Then where will Rui go or will he actually stay as both him and berlu have just stated??

[Yasser]

Kaka since April is a done deal.. I mean even his mom said it :pi:;)

Yes the guy looks like the next big thing and he's much admired by Carlo Ancelotti and Leonardo, the guy plays nice simple football, excellent long shots with both feets, something which we really need.. On him going on loan somewhere else next season Im not sure and actually dunno..

I still want Stam, I really do as I think we really need such a great defender as well..

[San Siro]

Man, this would simply be un****ingbelievable to have Totti in our beloved Magico Milan!!!!!:clap::clap::mexican:

We would become simply irresistible!!!!Then, I'd love to play against those sissies from Madrid!!!!!hhahahaahah...

I'm so excited and salivating in anticipation that I can't think rationally and get over-excited that much!!!!:D:eek:

FORZA ER PUPONE!!!!:mexican::mexican:

FORZA MAGICO MILAN!!!!!:proud:

:clap::beer:

P.S. Shoukria Yasserinho!!!:D:beer:

P.S.S. This is what I suggest: That we should all, in DM wear a Totti avatar!!!!What do you guys say???Now that would be something...:D

[Milko]

easy San Siro, time enough to do that. It's a great idea, but I would rather wait for the day of the signing.

[Milko]

Ancelotti: "Kaka could be interesting, but surly not right now" What the hell does that mean???

[Mix]

Originally posted by Milko
Ancelotti: "Kaka could be interesting, but surly not right now" What the hell does that mean???

That he will be sent on loan at PSG next season as planned.

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by San Siro


P.S.S. This is what I suggest: That we should all, in DM wear a Totti avatar!!!!What do you guys say???Now that would be something...:D

I think is it a great idea, i´ll get started on mine right away....

[Bayman]

Rivaldo
Rui Costa
Kaka
Totti
Pirlo
Seedorf

Great 6 playmakers.... :rolleyes:
Where are the box-2-box players (Davids, Baraja, Stankovic, Ballack...)?? Where is the balanced squad??

No Scudetto next year (again)....

[cxd]

this would be fantastic, but i guess i will wait until i with my own eyes saw him holding our jersey with galliani to let out my great joy. :devil2:

MILAN rules!!!!!

[angelino]

Haha I cried on Nesta day... imagine Totti day :D

However, it does raise some questions... no way we can accommodate Totti AND both Rui and Rivaldo... so who makes way and to where? and with what time in order to sell them? (given that Totti will assumedly arrive very close to transfer deadline date)

[angelino]

Oh and for Vugar... bravo with the avatar superstitions bro... worked its magic again ;) :D

[Call Me 7 Cups]

i don't believe in Totti to Milan
KILL ME
KICK ME
KISS ME
SUE ME
INSULT ME
TEASE ME
DO ANYTHING !

but i don't believe :D


--
YASSER -> ;)

[Nicolas]

Mau my friend, soon you will have to accept his arrival. Or maybe you prefer closing your eyes everytime you see him playing?? keep saying "he is not here, i know he is in Rome"??

[San Siro]

Wonderful avatar Nicolas!!!It's the best one in here!!!:clap:

Mau, what's wrong with you man to be so damn negative? Remember last year when I told you in the summer that you should get a Milan # 13 jersey with Nesta on it in Roma, I'm going to tell you the same: get a freacking Milan # 10 jersey but with Totti on it instead of Rui...;):clap::mexican:

Ciao.:)

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by San Siro
Wonderful avatar Nicolas!!!It's the best one in here!!!:clap:
Ciao.:)

Thank very much buddy....i´m glad that you like it.....
This is just a fantastic day for every milan fan around the world.....let´s celebrate...:eat: :kisso: :biggd: :pepsi: :bgjb: :bdayh: :sunny: :rasta: :beer:

[Meriva]

Yeah nico .... cool avatar dude ....:thumb:

2 the best roman in this age :D ...... the new version of Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony duet ...... hmmmm

[ario70]

Hope it will be a definite reality!!

[GattusoKing]

Lol Meriva :D :D Perhaps Pippo could play Cleopatra :pi: Hmmmm, or maybe Romulus and Remus would be more apt.

Welcome to DM ario70 :beer: Enjoy your stay :thumb:

[Meriva]

hehehehe:D ..... that can be arrange GK ......;)

just remember that the Brutus part is already boked by sensi :D

welcome to the forum aria70 ..... My indonesian Commerade :D
have a great stay here ;)

[Milko]

Pleasssssssssssse people don't celebrate! Let's wait and see instead. The dissapointment will be to big if will celebrate and than nothing happens. I have to be with Mau on this one. not that I don't trust Yasser, but I just don't see it happening.

[Mushfiq]

Originally posted by J.D.Tomasson
i don't believe in Totti to Milan
KILL ME
KICK ME
KISS ME
SUE ME
INSULT ME
TEASE ME
DO ANYTHING !

but i don't believe :D


--
YASSER -> ;)

Someone need to steal your cat ;) :pi: :D

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by Milko
Pleasssssssssssse people don't celebrate! Let's wait and see instead. The dissapointment will be to big if will celebrate and than nothing happens. I have to be with Mau on this one. not that I don't trust Yasser, but I just don't see it happening.

Okay just as well as you want to be allowed to be pessimistic about it, just as well I want to be allowed to be optimistic, and i´d appretiate not to constantly be reminded to keep my feet on the ground, thank you....:)

[Qasá]

mau may not believe, but when he never has we have signed that person :D

i for one am with bayman, where is the box to box midfielder we need, i hope that if we do sign totti, that we can trade one of rui/ rivaldo with valencia for baraja or lazio for stankovic; but valencia seems the more plausible deal :)

[Elchillum]

Originally posted by cxd
this would be fantastic, but i guess i will wait until i with my own eyes saw him holding our jersey with galliani to let out my great joy. :devil2:

MILAN rules!!!!!

welcome ario to the forum :)

---> btw cxd ... congratulations ... i dont know what happened but you are the first person who posted a reply and doesnt have a post behind his name :pi: ... hmmm strange, or am i the only one noticing that :)
welcome to you too :)

rivaldo-totti ...---> then kaka-totti ... = excellent!

cheers :beer:

[Yasser]

Originally posted by Sheva Rules
[B... but last night I spoke to some reliable friends who work for another Milan leader that starts with a ”B” and ends with ”IDA”.
This leader has said that ”Il Pupone” has already signed for Milan ...
[/B]

Those few lines.. Again shows Walter's greatness..

Remmeber back in June, he said Braida had a meeting with Totti's agent then few days later Totti's brother.. And now this news, says it's Braida that is working mainly on the deal..

:angel:

[Yasser]

Chillo, yes he have no posts number bcuz the forums had a problem for some mins so few posts werent counted.. ;)

[VUGAR]

Originally posted by San Siro


P.S.S. This is what I suggest: That we should all, in DM wear a Totti avatar!!!!What do you guys say???Now that would be something...:D

yo yo yo.....come on........I started it....and Angelo followed me as a tradition..cause last year I did the same with Nesta avatar...before august started.....come on...dont break traditions...:D uhuh....

just kidding........time to TOTTIMANIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:eyesss::eyesss ::eyesss::eyesss::eyesss::eyesss::eyesss::eyesss:

[VUGAR]

Originally posted by Angelo
Oh and for Vugar... bravo with the avatar superstitions bro... worked its magic again ;) :D

hehe..true bro!!!:pi: ;) :) :angel: veryyyyyyyy trueeeeee I love u Angelo....!!! I love you all....Yasser, I kiss you bro!!!!!

Originally posted by J.D.TOMASSON


i don't believe in Totti to Milan
KILL ME
KICK ME
KISS ME
SUE ME
INSULT ME
TEASE ME
DO ANYTHING !

but i don't believe


--
YASSER -> ;)

MAURI.....prepare yourself for some surgery :D:D:pi: Yasser is coming to marry you at the end of august...:D

[KONDR]

Why marry. May be just have a good sex :)

[Santi]

This thread cerainly brightens my day. :)

Totti to Milan makes sense, as Roma desperatly need money...and they refuse to sell Cassano or Emerson, which means they already got their financial problems solved by Berluska. ;)

Angelo pointed out something important, and that is what is going to happen to Rui or Rivaldo?...Totti-Milan, problably means one Rui more then likely would go.

[Yasser]

Rino,

That's somehow the missing link till now.. But Chelsea wont let us down :pi::D

Seriously, Spanish and English clubs wants Rivaldo while Benfica dreaming about Rui.. !

Anyway that thing wont break down a potential move for Totti..

[VUGAR]

a quote from "THE TRANSPORTER" for Kiril;)
rule #1...deal is a deal..never change rules....
so the deal was a marriage..;)uhuh

[Call Me 7 Cups]

Nicolas it's not that i don't accept or i have to close my eyes
if he comes that would be FANTASTIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but sounds too much wonderfoul dream to me
;)

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by J.D.Tomasson
Nicolas it's not that i don't accept or i have to close my eyes
if he comes that would be FANTASTIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but sounds too much wonderfoul dream to me
;)

I know Mau, I was just joking. I was merely imagining you sitting and watching the game, and force your eyes together everytime Totti was on the screen, repeating inside "I know he is not here, I know it, I know, he is not here, here is not here......."
No seriosly i know you will be estatic when it is officialized and our Roman emperour is here....

[GilaBabe]

I found this pic so relevant ;):pi:
Huge Welcome from Mr. Berlusconi to Il bimbo doro:) http://www.freewebs.com/forzasheva/azzurri_0.jpg

[Meriva]

Ehm ....... what pic Shevagirl ....??? :pi: :D

[GilaBabe]

Thanx :cool:
I'd also absolutely consider having Totti's avatar ( shirtless as usual :pi:) ..but only when we get him;)

[Mushfiq]

Nat....would Nic....stop supporting Roma then? :D

[San Siro]

Yasserinho,
Braida is the person in charge of the mercato in Milan. He was the one who flew last year in Brasil for Rivaldo. He is now the one working on Totti. :) I trust in him and his work and his negociation and persuasion talents combined with Milan's image, tradition and greatness (don't underestimate Berlusconi's power neither...;) ).

BTW, have you talked lately to Walter Yasser? Normally, when Walter has something to say, he posts it first in the Italian forum and currently, the italian forum's mercato section is as quiete as a theatre...:D

Cheers.:)

[VUGAR]

I think Payman wants to do some translations for us :D

[yannias]

but how could we do with rui and rivaldo now?

It's difficult to let them both out.

[angelino]

Originally posted by yannias
but how could we do with rui and rivaldo now?

It's difficult to let them both out.

Exactly the point I previously raised... this has the potential to be the only stumbling block IMO!

[Haroon]

There is a bundle of expectations and excitement all wrapped up inside of me and for the time being I'm doing a hell of a job controlling it!! I wish I had a time machine so that I could check out what is going to happen a month later!! :)

This is a DREAM TRANSFER and this has to be the most definitive news we have received so far. I'm going to keep my feet on the ground and wait anxiously now!! The countdown begins!!!! :cool:

[SPURSMILAN]

I think we can safely say that Rivaldo will be staying at Milan next season according to what Ancelotti said at the recnet press conference, his comments are listed on www.planetmilan.com

I am delighted to hear this news, I never doubted him and thought the criticism aimed at him was unfair, you have to have a bit of patience and allowe players to setle in.

I am also looking forward to seeing how good Redondo will be and if he can regain some of his old ability.

[VUGAR]

exactly...sounds to me puzzling as well..as berlu also said some good words about Rui...seems all of them stay...
BANG BANG BANG!!!!

[swissmilan]

Why not? A bit more offensive football is good.....;) ;) ;) ;)

----------------Abbiati-------------
--------Stam--Nesta--Maldini---
----------Pirlo------Seedorf------
----Rui Costa--Totti--Rivaldo---
---------Sheva-----Pippo---------

Looks good in my eyes, but does it work? :D :D :D
and give Totti #10 and Rui #17 or the other way! :cool: :cool: :cool:

We'll see.....

[Bayman]

LOL
And who defends?? Pirlo? lol
5 ball distributors (playmakers) but to whom should they distribute the ball when the strikers are well marked??
That will never work!
Even Perugia and Empolis would be able to beat this squad!

[Shevaman]

the ideal formation would be

DIDA

STAM NESTA MALDINI


GATTUSO BARAJA


Rivaldo TOTTI Rui


INZAGHI Sheva

i know that seems like a CM tactic but if this squad plays .... we can destroy anyone offensively and defensively....

With NESTA, STAM , MALDINI , Gattuso and Baraja...

no one would be able to cross our midfield....

with the rest we can be sure to score at least 3 goals a match.......:mexican: :mexican: :mexican: :mexican:

[Nicolas]

A: Berlusca would never allow a 3-man defence.
B: Stam ain´t worth 30 mill Euro.
C: I would never put Baraja over Seedorf
D: Riva/Totti/Rui would NEVER work, far too many non-workers, neither Rui nor Riva are helping in the defence, we would be crushed by teams with a strong hard working midfield.
E: We can´t play without Pirlo IMO.

Pure CM speculation IMO

[Yasser]

Originally posted by San Siro

BTW, have you talked lately to Walter Yasser? Normally, when Walter has something to say, he posts it first in the Italian forum and currently, the italian forum's mercato section is as quiete as a theatre...:D

Cheers.:)

Payman, check your PM box..

[Bayman]

The perfect Milan lineup is this:

Dida
Cafu - Nesta - Maldini - Kaladze
Gattuso
Baraja/Stankovic - Seedorf
Rui/Riva/Totti
Pippo - Sheva [or Totti - Sheva/Pippo]

Well balanced, no weak spots, class players in every position.
I still think we don't need Totti (and IF only as a second striker).

[swissmilan]

My line-up was a joke, because I don't think we'll get Stam and I also doubt that Riva, Rui AND Totti works.
But I would love to see Rui and Totti playing together with either Sheva or Pippo upfront.

@ Nicolas

I don't have/play CM! ;) ;) ;)

[Forzamilan]

Ancelotti has named the squad for the tour in the United States.
No Riva!!!

"Injured Tomasson and Rivaldo won't take part to the trip. The Brazilian star has agreed with Carlo Ancelotti and the whole Rossonero staff to stay at Milanello to complete his preparation. " --from acmilan.com

Does this indicate something? ;)

[VUGAR]

:D lool...even if riva or rui stays..we will field from upto 12-13 players :D...what can we do, if none of them would want to sit on the bench:)uhuh

[giani_82]

Alle :D
Now I can sleep till the end of August :D

[VUGAR]

I LOVE AUGUST...ESPECIALLY THE LAST DAYS OF AUGUST :D

[giani_82]

Yeah, I hope Milan announces the deal on the 25th of August :D

[GattusoKing]

Originally posted by swissmilan
But I would love to see Rui and Totti playing together with either Sheva or Pippo upfront.They must both play up-front at all times if you ask me. There were doubts as to their combined effectiveness earlier in the season, but come the end, they showed what a potent duo they were. Besides, I doubt Carlo would even dare entertain the idea of splitting them as he`d have an irate Mr President on the phone :eek: :pi:

[Mix]

Man the 31st of August I got the news about Nesta to Milan... On my 20th birthday :D I cried when we had some beers at my friends house because of the news... Everyone just looked at me thinking wondering what the hell they gave me to drink! :p

This time it will be another good present for my birthday and the question is...

What shall I drink to celebrate it with? :D

[GattusoKing]

Originally posted by Mixet
What shall I drink?Too much :pi: Note - all booze is good booze ;) :beer:

[KONDR]

Vodka! U could even drink Absolute(however, Russian is waaay better).

[Yasser]

Originally posted by swissmilan
My line-up was a joke, because I don't think we'll get Stam and I also doubt that Riva, Rui AND Totti works.
But I would love to see Rui and Totti playing together with either Sheva or Pippo upfront.


Forza 2 strikers.. ;)

[helveg]

Totti "I will NEVER be Milan player." :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Haroon]

Originally posted by helveg
Totti "I will NEVER be Milan player." :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

When did he say that?

[angelino]

I think it's a joke Haroon ;)

[VUGAR]

dont shy the boy...he has not passed yet medical tests..

[Haroon]

Got it Angelo ;) Was just confirming if indeed he EVER said that!

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Secondly why hasn't Walter said anything on the matter?? Sprechen Sie Walter ? Sorry My German is far from perfect :)

[swissmilan]

But it sounds really good! :D :D :D :D

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by Haroon
Got it Angelo ;) Was just confirming if indeed he EVER said that!

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Secondly why hasn't Walter said anything on the matter?? Sprechen Sie Walter ? Sorry My German is far from perfect :)

He already has, a month ago. He said everything that was written in that mail, nothing new actually....Just proves how accurate he is

[angelino]

Ok just I think we need to dissect this deal a bit!

We know that we have a reliable source, so we can theorise. We know that Roma are in a financial mess, and need to sell, in such a way to maximise their revenue in order to cover existing and accumulated costs AND have a bit to spend. This makes Totti the more viable selling option as opposed to say Samuel, Emerson, or even Cassano. We know Totti is very ambitious at this point in his career, and realistically knows Roma, regardless of how dearly he loves them, will not provide him with a platform to challenge domestically and in European competition, as well as push for individual honours. We know we have a President who loves Totti dearly, and certainly has the financial clout to express this love :thumb: We know that we pulled off a very similar coup this time last year ;)

Bearing all that in mind you would be forgiven for thinking, great! Totti is ours!

However...

There is the "small" matter of Rui Costa and Rivaldo. I don't care what anyone says, I really cannot see how we are going to function with Totti, Rui and Rivaldo all together, and even try to for that matter. Its an impossibility as far as I am concerned. There is no way to keep these three happy together, it has been hard enough with two.

So... who would go? Well more than likely it would have to be Rivaldo. Rui has come off quite a good season, and has recently had great praise lavished upon him by Berlusconi. He seems to have settled in our team well. So really, in my eyes at least, I don't see him leaving. Not at least until the end of this season anyway. Rivaldo on the other hand has been sub-par at best. Ok, he's had his bad luck with injuries and personal problems, but this is a world class player we are talking about! It is right to expect and demand more. Add into the equation the mysterious way in which he has been left out of the touring squad for "fitness" reasons... I mean c'mon, its a preseason tour, leaving after one week's training... who really expects to be 100% fit?! Very suspicious to me...

Are potential suitors being courted? Maybe just maybe... you never know these days... For all we know he has been included in the deal for Totti ;)

Anyway just some food for thought... I really want this deal badly, but I'm just trying to look at our situation realistically... grabbing Totti from Roma isn't the problem in my eyes, its offloading Rivaldo to make way for him... and with his inflated wages, that could prove to be nigh on impossible!

In any case, I'm sure Galliani has the ace up his sleeve ;)

[Meriva]

hmmmm ..... this season .... we got :

Totti in ----- Rivaldo out ( dont mind if it happen ;) )

next season .... we got :

Kaka in ----- Rui out
VDV in ----- Serginho out
Bonera in ----- Cafu out .... ( dont mind if these happen either )

Sounds like a pretty good regeneration for me ...... :D

[Caipirinha]

Incredible news!

Milan is doing all deals secretly, noone is getting any kind of information. If Juve or Inter makes a deal, everyone is informed. I think Milan's strategy is better. uhuh

But TOTTI ROSSONERO - this sounds great!!!! :D :D :D

;)

[Yasser]

Originally posted by helveg
Totti "I will NEVER be Milan player." :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Totti said I'll never join Juve..

And he also said, Berlusconi can be and might be my president soon..

[Yasser]

Originally posted by Haroon
Got it Angelo ;) Was just confirming if indeed he EVER said that!

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Secondly why hasn't Walter said anything on the matter?? Sprechen Sie Walter ? Sorry My German is far from perfect :)

He did 2 months ago.. It's not a must for him to repeat the news every week or two so ppl can get happy.. !

[Yasser]

Originally posted by Angelo
However...

There is the "small" matter of Rui Costa and Rivaldo. I don't care what anyone says, I really cannot see how we are going to function with Totti, Rui and Rivaldo all together, and even try to for that matter.

Rivaldo's days are numbered..

He never said I want Milan stay.. He never looked happy recently and he was even left out 2 days ago !

Riva, Grazie e Ciao :)

[angelino]

I can't see us finding a buyer for him... we will release him free IMO... and who is going to pay his wages?

The only destination I can think of for him in light of getting his cash and playing somewhere good for him would be Chelsea...

[angelino]

Now I just hope Emerson wont go to Chelsea... Better for us that Roma has the max. financial burden possible ;)

[Yasser]

Originally posted by Angelo
I can't see us finding a buyer for him... we will release him free IMO... and who is going to pay his wages?


As normal fans, you also wouldnt ever believe we would have took Nesta that way and have a deal with Totti too. It goes both ways Angel ! :D

[angelino]

hehe ;)

the irony for Roma at the moment is even if they wanted to sell Emerson to lessen the financial load rather than Totti, all they would do is anger him more at the prospect of losing arguably his most important teammate!

Poor Roma :D

[Yasser]

I think it's too late Angelo..

Lazio could have sold Stankovic instead of Nesta for example, but to get Galliani's approval and satisfactory they had to sell Nesta..

Also selling Emerson will make Totti angry, then dont tell me you think Chelsea will buy Emerson ?!!!

[GattusoKing]

I`m sure that one of these affluent clubs from Qatar will be more than willing to shell out obscene wages at a moments notice for Rivaldo. Aside from them, I cant see anyone else willing to take a gamble on him.

[ThunderKiss]

Rivaldo will leave like he arrived, through a rescinded contract so he can choose himself what to do next. This is at least the way I see it happening if he were to part from Milan.

[yourmood]

we didnt sow nothing from Rivaldo yet ,leave him alone .

Totti he is a great player and i wish if he played in Milan ,but we dont need him now we still have Riu and Rivaldo.

[VUGAR]

we get Totti, sell Riva to barca (but sell;)) and for the good money we take Puyol :D sounds interesting;)

[Meriva]

How 'bout selling Riva to the Meradanisti :D .... Moratti will be dying to have him uhuh :D

or exchange Riva with Zaneti ..... so we all can see in which level of idiot is moratti belong to ;):D

[VUGAR]

With Totti's arrival, +if we get sergio(portugese one;)) we really have a good attacking force.....

could also sell riva or rui to benfica, but I still believe Rui will be more useful than riva...(considering that selling riva will bring up some $$$$ and his salary, which is not that small, could go to Totti;))..........

-------------------------Abbiati/Dida-----------------------
Cafu/Simic---Nesta/Laursen----Maldini/RJ---Kala/Pancaro
Sergio/Rino------Max/Pirlo/Nando------Sergio_27/Brocchi
----------------------------Totti/Rui-------------------------------
----------Sheva/Boriello--------------------Pippo/JDT----------

Considering that we have only to scrutinize who to play with whom......;) and believe me there are different variations.....both defensive and attacking!!!
Real madrid...kiss my A$$...we gonna wipe you out...it is Time of IL GRANDE Milan to rule the World again!!!!!!!!!

[Bayman]

@Phantomo

I would put Simic as Nr.1 sub in central defense. To me Simic is more reliable defender than both Roger Junior and Laursen.
And where is Seedorf? He should take left midfield.
And I'm still not happy with this position:
Max/Pirlo/Nando
Max...only if we have to defend. Max+Rino is too defensive.
Pirlo...out of position
Nando...too old. If he would be the Nando of 2000 we would be covered well here :D

[yourmood]

nice Il Phantomo but for me i like Rivaldo more than Rui a lot more than Rui if some one must leave i guess Rui, he played well last season and he assisted most of Milan goals and scored 1 or 2 goals and he was playing always and he is used to play in the Seria A, Rivaldo didnt got his chance to play and when he played he score.
So why do you want him out?

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by yourmood
nice Il Phantomo but for me i like Rivaldo more than Rui a lot more than Rui if some one must leave i guess Rui, he played well last season and he assisted most of Milan goals and scored 1 or 2 goals and he was playing always and he is used to play in the Seria A, Rivaldo didnt got his chance to play and when he played he score.
So why do you want him out?

You know what? that is wrong, all your said about Rivaldo is wrong. He had PLENTY of chances, he played when Sheva was injured, and afterwards he had lot´s of games, so you can´t excuse his bad season with lack of chances. If you actually saw some matches with him you would know that most of the time he was inactive, he was marked very well and the goals you claim that he scored so many of were not at all spectacular. I was very excited when he came, but to the true to what happend, he did very little for Milan. A couple of goals and a great assist to Serginho against Inter, that is about it. If you want to talk about a man who´s had no chances it would be JDT, and he scored twice as much as Rivaldo did..

[yourmood]

Nicolas JDT saved us a lot and he will stay with us, but evry body want Rivaldo to leave and i dont understad why?

he is a great player and he need more time in Seria A, and we all now that its hard for evry player to play good in Seria A in his first season.

his contract will end in 2005 so leave him till 2005

[Nicolas]

Originally posted by yourmood
Nicolas JDT saved us a lot and he will stay with us, but evry body want Rivaldo to leave and i dont understad why?

he is a great player and he need more time in Seria A, and we all now that its hard for evry player to play good in Seria A in his first season.

his contract will end in 2005 so leave him till 2005

Fact1: His wages are too damn high to "just keep him"
Fact2: He will not accept being benched
Fact3: He would be 3. playmaker after Rui and Totti, a expensive reserve.
Fact4: He may not be a great player anymore, perhaps Seria A is just too hard for him. IMO he will never be good here because the defenders are just too good for him.

We can´t just pay him his high wage and sit and wait for an old man to find he former strenght, when we have one that is much better, Totti.

Face it, he will never be able to do what he did in Spain because here the defenders are just, much much better. He is not good enough for Serie A.
We have to get rid of him while we can and make room for Totti....

Why in the blue h*ll would you want us to keep him 2 years when he is so expensive and he would get 10 games per year max.??? That is plain ridiculous....

[yourmood]

ok:D

i want Totti to join Milan but not this year, Rivaldo and Cafu they did well in the World cup maybe thats what Rivaldo need his Captain:D

[Nicolas]

Isn´t it a bit naive to think that Rivaldo will shine because of Cafú?
So we should wait a year or two for Totti to see if Rivaldo eventually will reach some average level of consistency?? IMO what I hear now is madness....

[yourmood]

i want to see Rivaldo in Milan, i didnt see nothing from him, if Totti will join us i will be happy just i will be sad for Rivaldo to leave us.

we all want the best of Milan, and may opinion is that Rivaldo stay.:D :D

[VUGAR]

Originally posted by Bayman
@Phantomo

I would put Simic as Nr.1 sub in central defense. To me Simic is more reliable defender than both Roger Junior and Laursen.
And where is Seedorf? He should take left midfield.
And I'm still not happy with this position:
Max/Pirlo/Nando
Max...only if we have to defend. Max+Rino is too defensive.
Pirlo...out of position
Nando...too old. If he would be the Nando of 2000 we would be covered well here :D

LOOL you take it too serious Bayman;)
uuppss seems to me I forgot Seedorf :D uhuh how could I...:pi:
relax amigo...
all are positioned well, as they played for us...with some changes...that is why I told that many variations are possible with any player except Abbiati, Dida, and Pippo :D:D:D

[VUGAR]

lool yourmood...:D how about signing Totti and sending him on loan to PSG ? :D:D:D come on...be realistic..I know u and Jonathan Chan love this player...but becasue of that u cannot just sacrifice the whole team!....believe me, his salaries are really too high...he is slow, injury prone, italian defenders are really too good for him...;) no need to keep him...just the opposite...we need to sign with him a contract that will be binding him to us...and then sell him for good$$$$;)

[Yasser]

@ Vugar

You forgot another Dutch player.. Or didnt you ? ;)

[VUGAR]

whom?:pi:

[Yasser]

He have no hair and currently wears shirt number 31 :D

[SPURSMILAN]

I think that Rivaldo should stay to prove himself, at least for next season just to show the fans and to prove to himself he isn't a failure and had the quality to be a success.

We could play him on the left and move Seedorf to the right midfield, playing Pirlo and Gattuso in the middle. If Totti comes we may have to play a narrow midfield, with Rivaldo and Seedorf tucked in and alternating between coming inside and drifting wide, with Gattuso being the anchorman.

The one thing we lacked last year was width and someone who could consistently deliver quality crosses into the box or from dead ball situations, I think Rivaldo is the man we need and Cafu on the right hand side gives us a dobuble threat now.

I feel Cafu will help him to reagina bit of self belief and improve his morale, as I feel he has the ability to unlock defences, even though he may not get the space to score as many goals as in La Liga, but we all knew that anyway.

Have a little faith and patience, I can't believe fans are so fickle (I am like that at times, but I am a Spurs fan as well so am used to it) that after one year they are calling for him to go, give him one season to prove himself and forgive him for his ineffective performances.

[GattusoKing]

Good grief, we have a Spurs supporter in our midst! Another long suffering soul whom I can identify with :pi: All those miserable years at the Paxton Road end........... :ow: :pi:

Re: Rivaldo, I personally would cut him loose. My heart tells me to afford him another season to prove his worth after last season`s disaster, but my head tells me he`ll be given very little opportunity to play and its not as though we`re talking about a future prospect such as a Kaka or a Pirlo.

[Yasser]

LOL :D

And I agree with you GK on Rivaldo's case..

[KONDR]

Hmm, GK is using two accounts not to be the only "suffering soul " in here!

Actually if Rivaldo stays that means that we loose 4 millin of his wage+ 3-5 millions the money we could get from selling him. So I thnik(as I am not sure at all he will perform next season) it is better to sell him.

[Santi]

Welcome to DM SURSMILAN. :)

I don't think Milan want him anymore, but they are not going to put him in the transfer market...Galliani said he was free to leave if he wanted to.

IMO he can help us secure Kaka, a player that Milan must have. Kaka mentioned Rivaldo as on of his idols.

Totti to Milan means Rui leaves for sure, IMO...neither of them will ever accept the bench, especially Totti. Rivaldo would. ;)

[Leffe]

I PRAY EACH DAY AMIGO'S :)

[KONDR]

IMO Rui may be will not leave this season. Look, everyone says that Kaka will be loaned for 1 season. So Rui will stay and then will be sold next year when our Kakocka comes back!

[VUGAR]

Originally posted by Sheva Rules
He have no hair and currently wears shirt number 31 :D

:D lool :D

[VUGAR]

the question is how to field them??? :D

[VUGAR]

Originally posted by GattusoKing
Good grief, we have a Spurs supporter in our midst! Another long suffering soul whom I can identify with :pi: All those miserable years at the Paxton Road end........... :ow: :pi:

Re: Rivaldo, I personally would cut him loose. My heart tells me to afford him another season to prove his worth after last season`s disaster, but my head tells me he`ll be given very little opportunity to play and its not as though we`re talking about a future prospect such as a Kaka or a Pirlo.

LOOOL GK :D welcome Spursfan;)

[Call Me 7 Cups]

Walter just said Cissè is 1 step close to Roma :p

another piece of the puzzle to say bye bye number 10
:p :D
:(

[KONDR]

BUT in the same post he said that THE TALKS FOR TOTTI CONTINUE?!? What does that mean? I thought it was already decided! Mau, Sheva?

And what did he say bout Emerson to Chelsea? Will it be or not?

[Call Me 7 Cups]

walter said that emerson is close to be sold
and that totti may not accept it.

only abramovich may help us cos i am doubtful on emerson leaving.:P

[Yasser]

Nothing to worry about.. Then again getting Cisse, they will need to sell someone huge.. And Emerson isnt that huge to fund their moves for Cisse and the right winger.. Not to forget, Emerson's replacement if he's sold..

It's too late for Roma, last Sunday something good happened ! :)

[KONDR]

Dacourt is Emersons replacement.

[Yasser]

Then you'll have to convince Totti about that..

Totti will hardly stay there, even if they have a good starting 11, they dont have a good bench at all, even Sampdoria's bench is better ! And you cant win this way..

[MercatoAnalysis]

Running with the ball... I know you guys want Totti... like a lot.

Indeed...

Guy Roux will want to accept a Cissé sale (having stated that he'd leave Auxerre should Cissé be sold), and Cissé will suddenly take to Roma in a time of financial insecurity- his favourite club being Liverpool- who's strongly linked for a move next season?

Roma would buy Chivu if such an action rendered the club stripped of assests... and Totti in risk of going?

Emerson could be sold if the money's good enough (Chelsea reportedly offering quite a bit more than the alledged bid for Cissé- note: the French striker Sensi mentioned being unlikely to be Ciccé but rather 19 year old Adebayor of Metz), although Sensi was just public tonight about "keeping Emerson and buying a striekr".

Totti would then... hypothetically..with Emerson costing more than "Cissé" (and a hell of lot more than Adebayor)... be so infuriated with Sensi that he'd want to go to Milan (thought that was 'official' btw.?). Sensi- who'd "die rather than sell Totti" ?

Finally- all this will happen at the death of the market- leaving Auxerre plundered, Roma in ruins (imagine the reaction to selling Totti... AND Emerson?) and Milan with a very big job of finding a club for either Rivaldo (who's wages noone wants to pay) or Rui Costa (for who there's likely to be no suiters with any sufficient cash for the transfer- nor ability to pay his wages).

Yeah... it all pans out nicely doesn't it? Fantacalcio Ladies and Gentlemen. Born by a Sensi pressconference and consistent fleet street interest in Chelski.

NB: Dacourt was not bought as an Emerson replacement, but because Capello couldn't get Davids like he desired.

Ciao.

[Yasser]

And somehow KONDR, you missed the last line of the post..

[Yasser]

Originally posted by MercatoAnalysis
note: the French striker Sensi mentioned being unlikely to be Ciccé but rather 19 year old Adebayor of Metz),

Good..

Glen, I like your accurate note :D

You see guys ;)

[MercatoAnalysis]

Sheva: You only like it because you read/interpreted my post rather selectively :).

Ciao.

[Yasser]

No I liked it bcuz it will make ppl here more relaxed.. :D

My side, Im confident and happy :D

Glen, the thing is selling Emerson would destroy Roma.. Not selling anyone wouldnt let them buy new players.. Roma in both ways are in a bad situation, that's another reason to feel good.

Somehow I still think Cisse will join Roma.. But Chivu, Cisse.. And a possible right winger.. Those are even very expensive moves for a rich club even and Roma are totally broke.. No money, debts, late salaries..

Anyway I'll be posting something that might be interesting later on.. As I dont have time now !

Ciao :)

[MercatoAnalysis]

Well... obviously I shouldn't be the one to try and take your hopes away :pi: .

I just hope you (or somebody) realize how presumptious it is making adamant statements on the impact of various transfer moves on individual players immediate futures. Much more so- it's very difficult to specualte on what Roma's financial capacity actually is seing how Sensi is a rich man, and running a deficit has actually been his style all along.

More so- in the case of Nesta, all but the most feverish Lazio supporters knew that he would go to Milan, Inter or Juve in August last year and the papers were full of speculation- daily.

It is not so with Totti, and there's already been banking guaranties both to Roma's inscription, the Chivu deal and the previously unpaid salaries and bonuses.

In terms of previous Walter predictions- there's much more reason to look at Stam and Stankovic, because Lazio's financial situation and debts appear to be infinitely more delicate than Roma's- their shares worth only a fraction of what they were introduced at (which means that the debts compared to internatl value are that much more absurd)- and I don't see Lazio selling at present. No matter if they sold both- they wouldn't get close to rival the fee's needed to take especially Totti, but also Emerson.
Roma is not as poorly managed as Lazio. Their situation is not as desperate, and there's zero media attention towards the hypothesis sported here. Not even Calciomercato or Rete.

It ought to have people hope rather than believe. And let me just add that I can't blem anyone that they hope Totti will sign for them.

Not mentioning a WORD about Kaká in this post ;).

Ciao.

[MercatoAnalysis]

Obviously- I should also be fair enough to say when a rumoured transfer falls flat on it's face.. IMMEDIATELY :).
Seems the good Roman Roma fan on another forum was rather wrong with his 'insights' as Adebayor has, according to Calciomercato, been signed by Monaco on a 5 year deal.

Obviously- that prompts speculation about Nonda as he's the same kind of striker.

Ciao.

[Yasser]

Nonda should be out this way.. OK. However, he's not French..

I still see Cisse joining Roma. Anyway, but Sensi claimed he got Lucio then signed Chivu, Monaco are desperate to sell Nonda too..

[Yasser]

I dont think there's a discussion on Kaka.. Things are clear on the Brazilian !

[Yasser]

Well here's a view.. From a very optimistic Milanista (Me :D)

Taking in mind Cisse + Chivu + Right Winger without selling Totti is a lot of spent money that even Milan cant afford or find it difficult to do in one summer..

Even if Emerson is sold they will even need to add Perotta or Davids which would make it 4 major deals and selling only Emerson.. I think it's a lot for them..

Or you think it's he's using Totti's money ? Totti wants the club to sign good players to really stay ? Or to feel relaxed he left a good team ? After all those hints given before, deal cant be called off and Roma cant be rich out of nowhere suddenly..

A thing is..

1- Should Roma sign great players, they will have to sell a great player to fund the moves knowing that they are yet to pay anything just only bank assurances given !!

2- Should Roma sign no one. Totti will directly ask to be moving..

:)

[VUGAR]

I am also optimistic Milanista :D

[Nicolas]

Me too:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Yasser]

Another thing is..

Remmeber the Nesta deal guys ?

I used to say that time, we will get really bad times.. Yeah ? Same applies for this mega deal too.. Even if you see a few bad posts from ANYONE and I mean anyone.. Do one thing:

Was the news given posted in a right time ?

I mean, sometimes when you hear something bad, you feel bad and feel broken.. So you get nervous and lose your hopes while the thing is nothing is lost but only bcuz your nervous.. As a Milan fan and a human too :D any great player linked with Roma might cause some confusion, on the other side.. It might be also the reason for your happines in the end..

:)

What I mean, sometimes bad things are posted when ppl are nervous, no matter who are those ppl..

I love you Totti :D

[Call Me 7 Cups]

3- Roma might have the cash to sign what they've signed, not selling

:s

[Call Me 7 Cups]

ps, as posted elsewere :

kicking Batistuta away they saved
circa 10-12 Millions EACH YEAR. (5-6 to the player /5-6 to the Govern)

sort of: chivu(payable in 3 years) not paid 1 cent extra by Sensi.

[Yasser]

Well if you will take it that way Mau..

Nesta 33m paid over 3 years, Becks paid over 3 years, Zidane over 5 years to be paid, you know what.. Anelka's money is still being paid since his move from Arsenal to Real, till December 2003 they will pay..

So you cant talk like that..

Roma have cash ? Yeah that's why last year they suffered getting Davids for $11m + Late salaries + no bouns paid for Scudetto win yet + debts to everyone, even Peruvian club owed Roma money.. Roma for sure got a huge cash injection.. Or at least, secured a deal selling a huge name..

[Yasser]

And onething more to add, till Sensi adds Sensi to his squad then the case is still like 2 days ago..

Go on with me in this next few lines..

1- If Roma signs Cisse: (Or any other class expensive striker aka Morientes, Makaay, Zlatan..)

$16m at least, lots of money spent add to them Chivu's money plus Dacourt.. Well then you really need to sell someone huge. Emerson cant get you all this money, add to this if you are signing quality players like Chivu and Cisse, then you will automatically go for a class right winger. Totti's favorite Joaquin might be the one, with other less attacking and cheaper options like Contra or Trabesli (Ajax got Gyrgia..) also might be signed ! And assume it's Emerson sold, then they will go for Davids who might leave or Perotta.. Or any other Central Midfielder.. that will cost them a somehow big amount of money too..

Overall = Chivu 18m + Cisse 16m + Contra/Trabelsi 6m or Joaquin 20m+ Davids 12m or Perotta 8m and selling Emerson only for 25m is a lot for even Milan, Real, Juve or Inter.. Remmeber there's a good point in we are talking about cash broken AS Roma :D


2- Should Roma not sign Cisse and instead go for a cheaper option like Julio Cruz from Bologna who looks all but set to move on:

Then, Roma saved their money.. But getting Cruz would show everyone that Roma are still willing to fight for the UEFA Cup places not for Scudetto or at least CL places.. And knowing Totti, this wont satisfy his needs :D ( not talking about a girl here :pi: )


You see why I say it is going Milan's directions both ways.. :D

[Yasser]

And if you are a person that BELIEVES what Sensi says..

And you believed Cisse join Roma according to Sensi.. And Totti will stay in Roma according to Sensi..

Then Sensi also said the following but seems you forgot guys:

Sensi in March 2003: " I'll sign 4 great players "
" I'll splash out 50m euros next mercato.."

I dont need to start out new quotes from Capello, Ancelotti, Totti.. And even Nesta's smile when he was once asked on such a deal ;)

[MercatoAnalysis]

Sheva: I won't respond on this anymore. You seem convinced and you take 'facts' and interprete on them in the most arbitrary of ways. You take the quotes you deem suitable to back up your 'theory' whereas quotes of the recent past (just look at the Walter the Master tread) from for instance Ancelotti are conspicous in their absence. Quotes means absolutely nothing in Italian mercato.

Lazio HAD to sell because Cragnotti's Cirio defaulted it's payments.

Sensi and Roma is another situation entirely.

Ciao.

[Yasser]

Glen,

If it was your Juve linked with Totti, you would have done even more.. !! And used every little interview, post, news.. etc to use it your side..

Knowing Galliani, our transfers have been built on quotes/hints in the past few years..

Then onething, what is it that bothers you to see someone believeing in Totti's arrival ? Im free to believe in it, Im not forcing you to believe in it.. I gave some good points, I also said that there also a few missing links I talked about in the past but things are going on well..

We Milanista's have been getting in advanced news now for 3 summers in a row.. All DM members here remmebers Pippo Inzaghi, Rui Costa, Contra, Moreno.. Even Terim and Ancelotti too. Then Seedorf, Rivaldo and Nesta.. And Btw, the 1st ever news we recieved in advance, was the signing of RJ :D

Ciao !

[Yasser]

Then one thing, take my news like Im a Channel 4 or SoccerAge or any other site reporter if you want..

When "sites" gives news that are wrong no one complains, but when a member gives out a false news or an early prediction, some ppl enjoys bashing :rolleyes: :ow:

See you around !

[MercatoAnalysis]

You misunderstand me. I have no problems with predictions WHAT SO EVER. If there's little connection to the realms of plausibility I often find preditions tedious, but we all have different parameters for what's credible, feasible and what not.

As long as they stay predictions instead of "it's official". "It's done" or whatever.

Last- those who know me knows that I only speculate on what various purchases could do for our squad or what for instance Totti could do for Milan. You shouldn't make presumptions on how I'd react on my behalf, and the 'evidence' is all the rumours about D'Alessandro, Cavenaghi, Stankovic, Deco etc.
I'm quite able to make the destinction, and as a hypothesis I'm fine with discussing Totti in rossoneri too, for instance.
I do not give creedence to rumoured purchases apart from when club, player and agent have all publicly been clear on the interest, which is ultimately exceedinly rare with Moggi. In this case- Grygera for instance who couldn't be signed as we couldn't sell Salas.

Other than that- it's all speculation, and I think it's better if it stays speculation. But you're completely right that I should obviously not try and keep you from believing in it.

Ciao.

[KONDR]

Well, I wnated to add my piece to the discussion, too. MAY BE Sensi just may have enough funds not to sell Totti this year, however 100% that Totti will be sold next year and for much less money.
So Sensi has 2 ways.
1) Not sell Totti now, dont buy any young players, sell Totti cheap next year.
2) Sell Totti now quite expensive, buy replacement young players who could perform for a couple of years.

I think the decision should be quite clear.

[San Siro]

Latest Updates on the Totti affair from Don Walterinho in the Italian forum. :)

"Roma are after Cissé. The deal could be closed next week. The offer is of 15 Million Euro however, Auxerre could be rising their asking fee.

Looking at that, the first question that comes to mind is:

Is Roma doing all this to make Totti happy? If yes, then where the hell is the money coming from? Up until a week ago, they barely had any funds to register for the upcoming Serie A season and now, they're flashing $$$ right and left to get some of the most promising youngsters???
Emerson is almost sold to Chelsea, only a few details left before the officialisation. How will Totti take this? Does it make sense to get Chivu and Cissé and then let Emerson go? Is Roma on their way to rejuvinate their team and build their future on a line made of Cassano and Cissé while selling Totti and Emerson?
We will see...However, the contacts between the brother of Totti and Braida continue, specially after the bad argument between Totti and the old bag (Sensi) last sunday...but that's another story..."

Well, another piece of the puzzle of the summer to come into place. :) Piece after piece, the puzzle of the summer takes form and it is increasingly and oudoubtedly, obvious as we are about to see some major deals done in the next few days/weeks that completely reshape the physionomy, hierarchy and strength structure of not only Italian football but European and World football as well...;):clap:

So Glen, as hard and as difficult as it is to see that happen as it may seem for a Juventino as you, we are on the right track. I'm not saying it's a done deal; don't get me/us wrong. What I/we are saying is that we are on good tracks and things are evolving very smoothly to lead to a fabulous feu d'artifice (fireworks) come August 31, 2003 just like last year...:)

Cheers.:)

P.S. Again, we could never thank Walter enough for his invaluable updates. :):clap::beer:

[MercatoAnalysis]

I've read and commented on this already Payman :).

I don't believe Walter even considers this likely either (given his belief in Stam and Kaka), and I don't think you believe Roma will get Cissé, as you know Roux and Auxerre better than that.

There's no pieces of any puzzle coming together. It's you throwing all the pieces up in the air and assembling them as you see fit ;).

Ciao.

[Filipez]

08/07/2003. The finances of AS Roma and Napoli are under inestigation, it is being reported.

All Serie A, B and C clubs have to prove their financial stability to the COVISOC committee so they can register for the new season.

The two clubs failed the first inspection but were none the less registered on appeal after papers proved that the Sbc bank would cover their debts.

However, it has now emerged that the banks board of directors were unaware of its transactions, with the president saying: "Those papers were falsified and the signature of our former administrator was also a fake."

There is a very small chance that the two clubs could be thrown out of their divisions.

So it would seem that a member of a the Covisoc -who check football club's accounts before the new season- was a big part of this new fraud scandel.
SA Italy

[Call Me 7 Cups]

TOTTI
WON'T
COME

END OF THE GAME

:p

[Jonathan Chan]

Originally posted by J.D.Tomasson
TOTTI
WON'T
COME

END OF THE GAME

:p

IMO, signing kaka+stam is a lot better than signing totti, also i havent dream of totti's coming at all....

let him stay in Rome to be his roman prince...

[Walter]

just to clarify something: I didn´t send this mail to Yasser. As well as I never said TOTTI IS A MILAN PLAYER. I ´ve just stated what was happening. In the last three months there were lot of contacts between Tott´s brother and Braida and the had also reached an agreement ... but I never said Totti is coming or Totti is a Milan player. This must be clear. It´s also true that i never excluded this, just like i won´t do it now. U all know that with Footballmarket all can happen...For istance i read in mm that a guy wrote taht i said Totti will come for sure... maybe this guy understand italian as well I can understand chinese...I challenge everybody to demonstrate that I ever wrote something like that...

[yourmood]

i hope when Totti resing for Roma not more than 1 year we need him in the MID FORWORD he moves a lot and score and he is a captin in his team.

Kaka i dont now if he will join us this year or next year, Rivaldo and Rui are old players in the world of soccer, and we need 2 players to replace Rivaldo and Rui if Kaka will join us i hope Totti will come 2, if he is expensve for us thats somthing alse (and i dont think sooooooooo) and if the Board of Milan see that we dont need Totti really i hope to see young plays next year.

[swissmilan]

Thanks for clarify it, Walter!

PS: Have you read my post in the thread "gibt es deutsche hier"? What are your comments?

[Yasser]

Yeah true Walter.. And I NEVER said this email was from Walter as well ! If you go back to the 1st post you should get the meaning well ;)

[Elchillum]

Originally posted by Walter
just to clarify something: I didn´t send this mail to Yasser. As well as I never said TOTTI IS A MILAN PLAYER. I ´ve just stated what was happening. In the last three months there were lot of contacts between Tott´s brother and Braida and the had also reached an agreement ... but I never said Totti is coming or Totti is a Milan player. This must be clear. It´s also true that i never excluded this, just like i won´t do it now. U all know that with Footballmarket all can happen...For istance i read in mm that a guy wrote taht i said Totti will come for sure... maybe this guy understand italian as well I can understand chinese...I challenge everybody to demonstrate that I ever wrote something like that...

walter ... i also read that thing ... and still making fun of you those stupid bastards! many pple also ask me is it true ... all i can say is that there were meetings and that with sensi and galliani you can never know ...

but pple always rip news here, and try to modificate it in their own narrow minds ... maybe we should find a solution that pple cant come in here and copy paste news to other forums!

cheers :beer:

[VUGAR]

yeah, true Elche...many people seemed to me do not understand some of our posts;) Me personally having read the message Yasser put had an idea of taking totti avatar;) angy followed me...like with a case of nesta...also regarding the posts...I also confirm that Walter has not put anything regarding Totti...and the post Yasser did was a different source;)...but I really asked Walter many times...here in DM (no PMs) about Totti case....seems to me Walter never talks about anything he does not know...so...if there is no reply...that means...u guys sit and scrutinize it yourself;) :D....but I ask Walter about totti case..with a hope that some day he will have a news he would love to share with us..;)...
so, guys, calm down...sit and hope for TOtti.....unless u have either good or bad news regarding him;)

CHEERS:D

[KONDR]

Totaly true Vugar. We all must wait.

[Elchillum]

well if there are meetings ... means that we can hope ;)

that's the thing walter tried to tell us ... not that he will come ... !

cheers :beer:

[VUGAR]

yes...absolutely!

[Leffe]

Forza Don Walter :thumb:

[yannias]

In fact I've read some rumous from forzamilan.com before.One guy said "IN ITALY, NOT FROM PRESSES BUT FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOWS SERIE A MANAGERS SAY THAT THE REAL BIG SIGN WILL BE TOTTI> MILAN ,ACCORDING TO THESE RUMORS, WILL ANNOUNCE IT AT THE END OF AUGUST"

As it knowns,this kind of words just is some unreliable rumours.

We couldn't make a conclusion form that.

Walter didn't said such kind of words.He never said Totti will come....All DM guys konws it well.But many other fourms people didn't understand that.....COZ we have good history in transfer,so they thought Walter had said "yes"...BLAH BLAH.

Thanks for clarify it, Walter!

All must we can do is just to wait.......

[Yasser]

Look, Walter said agreements reached and so on, meetings under process, but he didnt said if he's coming or not..

Btw - ForzaMilan.com news is old news.. Sorry but you'll never find something on ANY site before you find it here.. :D

[yannias]

"Sorry but you'll never find something on ANY site before you find it here.. "

LOL^______^

that's true....

[VUGAR]

:yeah:

[Haroon]

Before a player is transferred there are rumours in the various news sites and it is very quiet regarding Stam and Totti. Stam's name does keep popping up but still it isn't a sort of definitive rumour.

As for Totti the only time he is coming in the news is regarding comments on Roma or the friendlies etc.

Hence I would be a lot more comfortable if rumours of these two were a bit more just like the ones of Kaka coz if there are a lot of rumours then there are good indications.

I say that coz I have hardly seen a player transferred very quietly unless they are rumoured before in the various sites.

Then again Crespo and Di Vaio got transferred out of nowhere instantly!

1/3 rd of the month gone. All will be revealed in a little more than a fortnight.

[yannias]

I still have a high hope........

The saga hasn't been ended yet....

According to some resource,milan are racing for Puyol.It's another rediculous rumous for sure.The newspaper said that Barca are 115 million pounds in debt.If they want to solve the problem they would sell the top player.Puyol will cost 16-20M......and Barca want more cash!I don't believe anybody even ManU would pay for him more than for Makaay or Veron.

Our transfer market on defenders has been so quiet for several weeks.NO STAM,NO PUYOL,ONLY CAFU&PANCARO this summer??
Paolo is super but he couldn't play every match......We need a guy who is able to adapt to 2 positions.....just waiting for him......He will join us finally.

As for Totti, the only thing I could do is waiting.......

Join milan Now or Forever.......

[Yasser]

Click Here (http://www.ilnuovo.it/nuovo/foglia/0,1007,186032,00.html)

:)

[Yasser]

Basically it says what Nicolas talked about yesterday,

Milan taking ppl's attention to Kaka's deal to take Totti in silence, cash problems for Roma too, Totti's will to win.. etc from the same things that have been mentioned here before !

[angelino]

Well I still hope until the 31st ticks over... ;)

[jani]

dammit i cant wait..

[Nicolas]

I have very little doubts that he will arrive this month....

I´m very much sure that Milan has pulled another coup and negotiated a lot with him and Roma while people where guessing when we would buy Kaká....

[GattusoKing]

I`m with you there Nicolas. Without shouting from the rooftops, I`m quietly confident that the deal is done, but I made a pact with myself some weeks ago not to give it any consideration until the day comes to pass ;)

[Grymmannen]

Kaka deal done, now for Totti

Francesco Totti's alarming comments about his possibility of leaving Roma last month certainly caused flutter around Rome. He's comments were seen as an attempt to spur president Sensi into making important acquisition's to bolster the team. Besides Chivu, Roma have not added any notable talent to their list, thus compromising Totti's desire to have a team capable of challenging Italy's northern giants. Even in the preseason games, Totti has been less than enthusiastic.

In the background, Milan and Roma have been negotiating. The attention has been focused on Kaka and Stam, allowing the deal making to go unnoticed. Roma are not compelled to sell Totti, but Milan are ready to snatch Totti with an offer that is simply too good to refuse.

Source: www.planetmilan.com

[Ruud]

Have a look at this...quite interesting, no?

http://www.ilnuovo.it/nuovo/foglia/0,1007,...,186032,00.html

I reckon that planetmilan.com may have got its story from this source, though, so we shouldn't get too excited...

[VUGAR]

aha...I see some talks starting again on Totti...very good:D

[GilaBabe]

It seems loike that bloody yellow tie is doing it again :pi:...
ah..I just have no patience to see how will Totti saga end..

[Haroon]

hmmm .... some news appears in the websites now!!! :) My stance is similar to Simon. I am optimistic but for now I will let that optimism stay with me inside!!

After a break of 2 weeks or so the name of the Roman Gladiator starts to pop up again in the news. As I have mentioned before that the more the name comes in the various websites and papers the better the chances of us getting him.

And now it can hardly be a long wait ... only a fortnight to go. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[jani]

shevagirl : wat a sig

:D

[Yasser]

Ruud,

The link you gave from ilnuovo is the same one given out yesterday morning here in DM :pi:

Click HERE post :D

[Yasser]

Roma: esplode il caso Chivu
Mancano fideiussioni per l'Ajax

Un'altra grana scuote la Roma. Il transfer per il rumeno Chivu non è ancora giunto, e questo in quanto non sarebbe stata garantita la sufficiente copertura finanziaria: le fideiussioni che il club giallorosso avrebbe dovuto garantire all'Ajax (per un totale di 15 milioni di euro) non esisterebbero. In casa giallorossa garantiscono che le garanzie ci sono, e sono state emesse da Capitalia, ma gli ambienti finanziari negano.


Dunque ancora fideiussioni ad addensare le nubi sulla testa di Franco Sensi. Questa volta sarebbe una fideiussione a garanzia del pagamento del cartellino di Christian Chivu, il talentuoso difensore rumeno fiore all'occhiello della campagna acquisti giallorossa. I 15 milioni di euro (gli altri 3 sono stati già versati) che dovevano essere garantiti da Capitalia non esistono, o meglio non esiste la garanzia. Ciò emerge da autorevoli ambienti finanziari, mentre la Roma nega.

La questione è spinosa, perchè si va a sommare all'altro grande pastrocchio, ovvero i 7,5 milioni di euro garantiti, poi rivelatisi un buco nell'acqua, dalla Sbc per l'iscrizione alla serie A. Un totale di 22,5 milioni che la Roma dovrà trovare al più presto, ovvero il 27 agosto, qualche giorno prima del limite consentito (30) per il tesseramento del rumeno, che potrebbe essere ritardato anche a causa del tetto degli extracomunitari. Contando anche Batistuta, che a ore però dovrebbe ufficializzare il passaggio al campionato del Qatar, il totale ammonta a 5 con Chivu, due quindi sopra la soglia consentita. Ma ciò che al momento rischia di bloccare tutto è la questione con l'Ajax: ancora una fideiussione fa tremare Franco Sensi.

Source: Milan World (Italian forum..)


Totti Yes ? :D

[VUGAR]

any translation on this plzzzzzzzzz uhuh

[Yasser]

Roma cant pay for Chivu.. Mainly !

[Yasser]

News also here:

http://calcio.datasport.it/leggi.asp?id=1759321

Enjoy :)

[jani]

everyone is so confident.. keep ya hopes up guys!

[Jonathan Chan]

all our transfer targets(hyped by mass media) like puyol, stam and nakarta all gone now........only totti's future and roma's finance looks more and more in a doubt now.:D

the whole thing looks more interesting now.

[Call Me 7 Cups]

totti won't come
;)

why going to get totti when they have rui costa kaka rivaldo ?
u must first give away rivaldo and rui costa


for me, we'll get maybe only Puyol ( if no stam )

and transfers over.

[Yasser]

It's a matter of opions, you are expressing what you feel by saying Totti wont come..

On the other side, Im giving out some news.. Just that !

[Call Me 7 Cups]

i'm not attacking your opinion
i gave mine as u gave yours :) u felt attacked ?

[Yasser]

No, did my reply make you feel so ? :pi: I know you gave your opinion like I gave mine..

I think I never gave such a polite reply in some longtime :pi:

Forza Freedom of Speech :D

Cheers bro :)

[Call Me 7 Cups]

ehehe ;) yasserinho

[Jonathan Chan]

Originally posted by J.D.Tomasson
totti won't come
;)

why going to get totti when they have rui costa kaka rivaldo ?
u must first give away rivaldo and rui costa


for me, we'll get maybe only Puyol ( if no stam )

and transfers over.

yup, i always say totti should not be our no.1 target since there is other postion like Right Back needs more reinforcement than AMC.

but....

berlu and galliani are not like juve's boarads or man utd's.......mr. berlu and galliani buys stars almost every summer and buys the players they like not player we needed
(though players like nesta was the player we NEEDED and berlu LOVED).

logically totti wont come, but we are living in the reign of magico mr.silvio, everything is possible.:D(even i am getting optimistic. how strange!)


well, i always think that rui/riva/kaka can work at least for 1 more season, but now it seems that galliani DOES really has got a target man in his mind.(thanks god). I must admit that totti/kaka is a better solution for next season, though a lot more expensive. but 'expensive' this word is not for berlu.:)




abt puyol, i think he's too overprized(man utd's bid is 22M pounds) and spanish players often fails in Series A. providing that puyol wont be better than RJ or Laursen in central defence(though he really ROCKS in right back), i think it's unlikely galliani would buy him.
but
if that's the case that we get puyol i'll still be satisfied because he's younger than simic/cafu and he's really solid at RB.


abt stam, he's gone....



IMO, galliani is really hunting totti, though i like rivaldo very much, but the cruel truth is that if totti/kaka duo comes, riva and rui would probably been thrown elsewhere.....:(

[Yasser]

Well..

If Totti comes, he'll be the main one.. Kaka or Rui or Rivaldo will stay, the other 2 out, Rui / Riva sold or Kaka loaned out to Parma / Roma.. etc I dunno where to !

Anyway all are predictions so far, not confirmed news from anyone I know..

[Call Me 7 Cups]

rui and rivaldo earn eachone 4-5 Millions each year (doubled by state stuff 4+5? =9x2= 18M$ of wages for 2 players who u won't use)
even if Milan etc etc we can't hold those 2 wages and add Totti's one (5-6M)

i guess so.
1) find a place for them
2) get totti

[Jonathan Chan]

i am all summer pessimisitc and against totti's saga
but now, i am changing my stand.
because
1.it's really unusual that galliani chase no one, not even a Ba type 'promising youngsters', it's not his way.:)

2.roma is in huge debt but they cant sell samuel or emerson...

3.totti is berlu's favourite and mr.silvio still hasnt given his annual present to us.;)

4.riva showed in last season he's too injury prone and cant adapt to italy,,,,,,and rui cant even compete for 90 minutes for 100% fitness now....kaka is there but if no totti comes then we would have 3 playmakers for 1 position. and if totti comes then 2 playmaker for 1, sounds more logical......





of course, all these are speculations and nth more...but gd signs are floating.:)(though i still wish we signed stankovic instead of chasing totti, but that's life;))


abt rui, i dun think neither he nor riva would accept benching for totti.....

[Yasser]

I know, I said either both sold so Totti and Kaka stays, or Kaka loaned and out of Rui / Riva sold, so we have Totti and the other..

[Yasser]

One morething, I think Kaka is more Mutu and Del Piero type of players than being a playmaker..

[Call Me 7 Cups]

Originally posted by Jonathan Chan
i am all summer pessimisitc and against totti's saga
but now, i am changing my stand.
because
1.it's really unusual that galliani chase no one, not even a Ba type 'promising youngsters', it's not his way.:)

2.roma is in huge debt but they cant sell samuel or emerson...

3.totti is berlu's favourite and mr.silvio still hasnt given his annual present to us.;)


1) isnt unusual honestly you can just see how many times he didnt buy anyone or got us Brncic Giunti Sala for 4-5 seasons not spendig or spending bad, that was Galliani, this is the same person, if he did that in bad times, he may say we are the strong team on earth there is no reason to spend crazy cash on crazy super stars.

2) they can't sell or they didnt want to sell ?

3) Berlu's favourite were also Rivaldo when he was 25-26-27 yo, or Zidane or figo when he was younger, or Raul now
what did we get ? Rivaldo at 30-31 yo, injured night and day.

[Yasser]

@ JC,

You and me might think Galliani have no specific target, but be sure we are both wrong, Galliani isnt stupid, he's the man running the European Champions, he's a professional and knows what he's doing.. His words arent for nothing, every word he says should be taken carefully too..

He's a DEVIL !

[Call Me 7 Cups]

he might end the market with Kakà and maybe a defender
and we don't have to be surprised

if he does so he might not be stupid anyways ( balance reasons, and strong teams not needing fantastic additions ) these are all good reasons even if i don't like them.

he's able and he has the rights to do so.

[Jonathan Chan]

yes, i must admit that i have underestimated our dear mr.gallaini in recent weeks.

i may give him two weeks time to show his magic.:D

i am praying that galliani is really a DEVIL, rather than a speaking moron....

[Yasser]

@ Mau,

IN the time Figo was 27, Rivaldo too.. Milan were going through a downhill. You cant be on top forever, every team after ruling for 5-6 years will go down for 3-4 years.. And our down years were those times..

We also spent big those times, Jose Mari for $22m while Montella moved for $19m.. I think I wont blame Galliani, he showed the money but Zaccheroni selected such players, when Terim then Carlo arrived, they also both had the SAME money Zac had, but they knew how to get better players.. Remmeber Zac's 1st season we spent $70m almost, more than we spent last season even !!

Zac bcuz he never managed big clubs, he likes players like Helveg, Guinti, Sala.. While Terim and Carlo for the same money got Rui, Pippo, Rivaldo, Nesta..

Then we all know that Berlusconi did NOT like Zac, so he felt it was useless to get Figo or Rivaldo, when Terim came he directly splashed the money on Pippo and Rui, then for Carlo he got us Nesta.. Before Zac he got every great player around.. Even when we finished 11th with Capello, he spent a lot on Kluivert, Ziege, Leonardo, Ba, Bogarde, Davids.. etc !

The "Zac" era though we won a scudetto was the black one IMO !

The team was like Udinese, based on players like Coco and co. not champions materials..

[Call Me 7 Cups]

> IN the time Figo was 27, Rivaldo too.. Milan were going through > a downhill. You cant be on top forever, every team after ruling > for 5-6 years will go down for 3-4 years.. And our down years > were those times..
----
perhaps, we just spent millions in the past years for Rui Costa Nesta Inzaghi and others, your comment above also says: we can't go get totti cos we spent much in the past 2-3 years, isn't it ?
----
>Zac bcuz he never managed big clubs, he likes players like >Helveg, Guinti, Sala.. While Terim and Carlo for the same money >got Rui, Pippo, Rivaldo, Nesta..
----
i don't think so
galliani himself said once : Brncic ? i think he is good, it was MY choice, people has to stop it thinking that a player is champion only for the name : et voilà mister Brncic, 1 year and trash back to B/C
so, for many others.

:)
----
Then we all know that Berlusconi did NOT like Zac, so he felt it was useless to get Figo or Rivaldo, when Terim came he directly
----
We didn't sign Figo or Raul or Rivaldo in the nice time cos Real and Barça didn't sell players at top of their forms, not cos Zac was there Yass.
----

[Yasser]

1- No Mau, I said we spent much too, but it wasnt on the right players.. !

2- Galliani on Brncic, he cant say this player sux too, remmeber, even on Ba he said he's a very good player !

3- Well.. Not so sure ! Zac was given the money but he made his choices while Terim and Carlo made their choices !!

[Leffe]

Let's hope we can sign Totti :angel:

Nice avatar Mau :thumb:

[San Siro]

I don't know why, but I do have this deep down and strong gut feeling that we may have a wonderful gift by the end of the month by Berlusconi...;)

:clap:

Francesco, i Campioni d'Europa ti aspettano!!!:)

:beer:

[VUGAR]

could not say it better Payman;)

[Forzamilan]

Does this help a little? :D

from channel4.com



Chivu transfer to collapse? Saturday 16 August, 2003

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There are reports that Roma’s financial woes could see Ajax pull out of their deal for Christian Chivu.


The defender was signed from the Dutch club this summer for around ?2m, but only ?m has been handed over at this point.


It is suggested on Italian website Tgcom.it that the guarantee papers for the remaining sum have not been completed, so Chivu is still not eligible to play in an official match.


The Giallorossi maintain that the paperwork has been printed up by Capitalia, but according to these reports the bank denies it has guaranteed payment.


This is a further blow to Roma’s already delicate financial situation, as the club is one of several under investigation for providing false paperwork to prove its stability.


The FIGC looks set to rule that Roma, Napoli and others were unaware of the irregularities and are to be given a further twelve days to provide accurate guarantees.


This nonetheless leaves ?m of uncovered debt plus the ?0m for Chivu’s transfer to be found by the August 27 deadline.


Roma have until August 30 to complete Chivu's transfer and register the player for their opening Serie A match against Udinese.

[angelino]

unbelievable!

but still guys.. I think we need to acknowledge something. There is 2 weeks left to sign Totti, and are we really going to bring him with Kaka, Rivaldo and Rui all here? I think not. Unless we can use these two weeks to sell Rui or Riva or both, its not a likely deal IMO...

[Filipez]

Kaka on loan and sell rivaldo!
Maybe thats why milan didnt officially presented kaka, becouse he will be loaned.

[angelino]

He hasnt been presented because he's not in Milano yet ;) The official presentation is scheduled for Monday or Tuesday...

[Filipez]

yeah i know, but i meant the anouncment. :D

[Mix]

What did we lack last year?
Answer: a right-sided attacking midfielder.

I am not certain about what position Kaka prefers to play in but I would not mind seeing him in a position similar to the one Nakata has in Parma. I think he could do well there with little defensive duties and a pretty free role to express himself in. It's a good start for the young Brazilian IMO. Imagine him coming on a la Leonardo during the 1998/99 season providing wonderful displays of genious! The thought makes me a bit aroused to say the least! :D

I can definitely see Rui Costa, Totti and Kaka in the same squad. During preseason Carlo has tried the 4-2-3-1 formation and without doubt Totti can play in that formation and putting Rui Costa out wide to the right could be a very intelligent move.

Bottom line: if we really want to get rid of Rivaldo there are plenty of teams in Qatar etc who would accept him with open arms.

Forza Il Milan!

[Leffe]

If we sign Totti I would sell Rivaldo on the spot !!!! Keep Kaka, here is the best place for him to learn Serie A, not in France :no:

[VUGAR]

I must agree with you Mixet...absolutely true :yeah:

[GattusoKing]

Rivaldo could well dig his heels in and refuse to move, especially if the only interested parties are from Qatar. IMO, Milan are going to have to release him from the remaining year of his contract which is going to cost the better part of what, £3million? Hopefully, it wont come to that though.

[Yasser]

Roma's latest:

1- $21m in debts that must be paid in the next 10 days !
2- Needed money to fund OTHER moves too..

Emerson or Samuel, one would be sold for $20m maximum but then they wont find money to fund more moves, so it's like they done nothing.. Their savour as usual is Franceso Totti, this time not getting them trophies, but for keeping them alive by moving somewhere else for $35-40m which Roma will use paying their debts + sign 1-2 more new players that are much needed !

[GattusoKing]

So its all falling nicely into place then Yasser :thumb:

Arent there also rumours that Chivu has had to return to Holland?

[Filipez]

yep i heard some of them. But i dont know if its true. i'll look for it.

[Filipez]

I looked for it and i found some interesting things:

for the people who understand dutch:

Berlusconi beschermt AS Roma en Napoli
ROME - Het schandaal van de valse bankgaranties rondom AS Roma en Napoli heeft het Italiaanse voetbal in totale wanorde gedompeld. Waarschijnlijk is het maar beter het malafide schip te laten zinken en helemaal opnieuw te beginnen. Maar premier Berlusconi zet uit electoraal belang een reddingsoperatie op. Het Serie A-spektakel moet tegen elke prijs doorgaan.
Parool

it says that Berlusconi protects roma and Napoli.

[Filipez]

The fraudulent affair with an objective eye look at, will you expect that the most important responsible for the chaos in the Italian football are punished. In order to begin will Prepaid Carraro, the chairman of the football federation that the public tender of AXIS Skimmed and Napoli on basis of false security positions without batting an eye has accepted, immediately must go away. And nothing will more logical be than the steering wheels of summonses to the management of the two malverserende clubs. Only so goes that not in Italy. Finally let the public self fool through the charms of the illusionist. The offenders disappear as rabbits in the high terrific hat. Most likely never can an extra smoke curtain badly round the affair definitive for the public to cloud. Consequently end up not Carraro and the chairmen of AXIS Skimmed and Napoli in the defendant bank, but only six relatives meaning lynx tussenfiguren: four financial ritselaars and two exponents of the accountancy-division of the Italian football federation have a summons receive. On self is the story of these six an arresting thriller and, as with criminal money operations, lead the travel by train directly to deep cellars so often of Swiss banks. But in fact is this side issue. The were question is: how can it that the public ministry the club administration spares? Meanwhile has it ROUND in Rome wél understood that many more Italian professor clubs in the lately false bank guarantees presented. The fraud of AXIS Skimmed and Napoli appeared but the topje of the iceberg to be. Double and creative book-keeping, acrobatic financial operations, white edge criminality, name but. It is all earlier rule than exception. Twelve clubs have for instance years transfers, salaries and pension premiums guaranteed with imitated written security positions. Also in these case however not concentrates it ROUND on small intermediaries and on the large fish. An of the little in Italy that self not let fool, is Luciano Gaucci, owner of Series A-club Perugia én of it to the Series C degraded Catania. Gaucci has self till the administrative jurisdiction wept. '' As Napoli for the public tender nepgaranties has delivered, must the club of the Series B-list become scrape.'' The administrative law has Gaucci in it equal stolen: Napoli must from the Series B be bounced and the fallen open place serves to be taken in by Catania. Also Ivan Ruggeri, chairman of it to the Series B degraded Atalanta Bergamo, considers now to the administrative judge to walk. Ruggeri want that AXIS Skimmed because of fraud becomes teruggezet to benefit of its club Atalanta. Large disaster thus for AXIS Skimmed, will you say. But loan see on, and how the powerful Italian football system self defends against these attacks from the province. AXIS Skimmed and Napoli its clubs from large cities. And large cities have many voters, reasons prime minister Silvio Berlusconi. With other words, the Romans and Napolitanen need self no see to to make. The cabinet-Berlusconi will vóór the beginning of the new season a decree carry out that the administrative and civil judge with retroactive powers unauthorized person declares in sport and football questions. As become AXIS Skimmed and After-poli practically inviolablely. As known has Berlusconi experience in it invent of immuniteitswetten. Gaucci and Ruggeri speak shame of the governments decree. Moreover demand both that federations chairman Carraro place makes for a more competent person. In political Rome want the center links opposition parties that the football federation under supervision is stolen. If special commissioner becomes Gianni Rivera to in front slid. But Berlusconi defends Carraro with hand and tooth. The federations chairman is a faithful friend and an important affairs partner of the prime minister. And Gianni Rivera? He indeed has played football for AC Milan, Berlusconi' s club, but the prime minister finds him many too links. In short, the federation never remains in hands of Carraro and the dark practices probably will stop. Oh, Italy: affairs and political dominate, the sport digs the onderspit

translated with freetranslation.com

[Yasser]

Berlusconi wont protect Roma for free !

As for Napoli, they cant get fu(ked more than they are now already :pi:

Then that makes you wonder too, why didnt Berlu protected Fiorentina ? Is it bcuz we already took Rui Costa from them for such a high price ? Who knows.. !

[Yasser]

Originally posted by GattusoKing
Rivaldo could well dig his heels in and refuse to move, especially if the only interested parties are from Qatar. IMO, Milan are going to have to release him from the remaining year of his contract which is going to cost the better part of what, £3million? Hopefully, it wont come to that though.

He still have 2 years left..

Then, Rivaldo isnt that old and bad to move to Qatar now.. Clubs like Valencia, Barca.. Would do anything to get him, he's still a wanted man, an off year doesnt mean anything.. Afterall Sheva and Rui had worse seasons before and are still in Milan !

[GattusoKing]

Personally, I doubt that Barca would touch Rivaldo with a 1,000ft barge pole and despite tentative links to Valencia, I dont see them acting on it. I really do think that last season`s form has changed peoples perception and I envisage him struggling to find a major or even a mediocre club willing to take a gamble on him. And it really would be a gamble.

Re: Rui and Sheva, totally different scenarios IMO. Both cost a great deal of money and both are proven in Serie A. Rivaldo on the other hand cost nothing so there`s no fiscal loss, while its debatable that he`ll ever be able to adapt to Serie A. Lest it also be said that he`s no spring chicken either.

[Haroon]

Michael there is only ONE club in Qatar who can afford Rivaldo and that is Al-Arabi.

Regarding Rivo's future I think Chelsea will pounce on the opportunity when he is released coz then they will simply have to pay his salary and nothing else!!! Rivaldo will do well in the EPL and he gets CL football with Chelsea as well. Roman has spent quite a few on every buy and if he can get Rivo for FREE or the £3 million we will have to pay him then he might coz even £3 million will sound like a bargain for Chelsea.

They've paid £6.6 for Glen Johnsen. Getting Rivaldo for less than half that is still quite catchy!! And Rivaldo will settle well in Chelsea. Whatever it is ... he IS a high profile name so it is a cheap bargain which might do wonders for Chelsea if he comes through!!

There are numerous examples of players who were at the twilight of their careers in Italy or Spain or Germany and then moving to England and becoming HUGE stars!! I think Rivaldo can be one of them! The EPL is a nice retirement home for ageing players.

[GattusoKing]

Chelsea arent after players of Rivaldo`s ilk. They`re aspiring to sign current greats with age on their side, and Rivaldo clearly fits neither of the aforementioned categories. Even if they were to defy logic and bring him to Stamford Bridge, he`d be afforded even less time on the pitch than he is at Milan as every position in which he could conceivably play is more than adequately covered. Rivaldo is yesterday`s man.

Re: the EPL being a `retirement home`, that`s a fait accompli now IMO. At present, said league is the richest in the world and even those mediocre teams can afford to outspend some of their more prestigious compatriots in other leagues. In doing so, they`re now turning their attention to younger players who`ll be permanent fixtures for years to come as opposed to your one season wonder archaic types we`ve seen in the past. Naturally, you may occasionally see one of the minnows herald the signing of a Djorkaeff, but the teams of bigger stature are now very youth orientated.

[Ruud]

Questions & Observations...

Roma have financial problems. The trouble with their league subscription proves it: financially sound companies just do not risk their credit being sullied. Chelsea don't habe financial problems.

Chelsea, aware of Roma's troubles, were naturally interested in Emerson: on the footballing insiders' grapevine they had heard that Roma needed cash. Note that they were linked to Emerson rather than Davids, who for the last couple of years has been on the point of leaving Juve.

Such is Chelsea's ambition and financial muscle that they are also supposed to have bid for one of the world's three best players, in my opinion at least, Raul.

Why, then, given Roma's situation, were Chelsea never linked to Totti? Why did they not even try to him? He is in the same 'untouchable' category as Raul but was just never mentioned.

Why, given Roma's situation, were they able to rebuff the advances for Emerson?

Why am I still hoping?

[Wes]

With Nesta last year, he was linked continually with Juventus & Inter, not with us but still speculation.
This year with Totti... nothing in the papers, not one word, the Italian press is to good to totally overlook the whole situation.

With Terim at Fiorentina, he was never comented on by Galliani or any other at Milan, but the press knew the deal had already been done. end of season suprise suprise Terim in (errrr for a while)
This time? nothing!

[Yasser]

There's a small point you missed Wes, the Italian media is mainly Berlusconi's.. ! Got the point or should I explain it ? ;)

Ruud, I agree with you.. And I like it when you post :)

[Filipez]

Meanwhile, Roma and Napoli have been cleared of fraud charges following the scandal over false guarantee papers.


The investigation has ruled that the clubs were the victims of fraud and not intentionally providing false paperwork to prove their financial status.


this is ****ed up news!

[Yasser]

Berlusconi have approved this law, he wont approve it to Roma for free..

[Leffe]

Indeed Berlu has done something for Roma, now it's Roma's time to help Berlu ;) Berlu is santa claus ;)

[Roberto Baggio]

Roma will find it hard to win things next season of course:) ,Then Totti will realise it may be time to move on to the best team in Italy and the Kings of europe.Maybe this dream will come true,We're the theatre of dreams.:pi:




"Milan vince per noi"

[jani]

Im still keeping hopes high!

[Bayman]

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio
Roma will find it hard to win things next season of course:) ,Then Totti will realise it may be time to move on to the best team in Italy and the Kings of europe.Maybe this dream will come true,We're the theatre of dreams.:pi:




"Milan vince per noi"


If we keep on playing the same s h * t like the past weeks, chances to win something with Roma are higher.
:(

[Yasser]

LOL

Yeah sure, but Bayman, calm down.. We never did well in friendlies anyway.. Players dont run not to risk injuries and so.. + Media is making a big fuss out of those friendlies.. !!

Strange when always media are around us when thigns arent going well, while Juve have always a good climate to work in..

[Roberto Baggio]

Sheva Rules is spot on they're only friendlies just like the national team the Primary objective is to get match Fitness and not get Injured.yes it sounds strange but players are advised in Friendlies to take more Precaution as those games don't count for much,friendly matches will always be that they wont ever be taken seriously enough.

[alextul]

I think: Inter sell Crespo and buy Totti now. As for me its absolut logic way

[GattusoKing]

I see Inter`s chances of signing Totti as slim to none at best. The man is looking to win trophies after all ;)

[Call Me 7 Cups]

totti won't move ;) it's not a matter of Inter Crespo or Moratti
Totti won't move, if he moved, Milan would have chased him some months ago already ;)

[Roberto Baggio]

We're one week away from the start of the new season,The chance of totti leaving Roma now are as low as ever.also I could'nt see him moving to Inter,Just because Inter may sell crespo it does'nt guarantee them of replacing them with who they may want.
Anyway leave them it proves they're Perdenti as always and that they dont have ambition,If Hernan goes maybe Bobo will follow and the team will begin their much awaited slide.


"There's only one team in Milan"

[jani]

I have somehow lost all hope that Totti is coming..

[milandevil]

Originally posted by Shevchenko-[7]
I have somehow lost all hope that Totti is coming..


me too, for two months I put almost all my hope on this man..but now over......really disappointed and pessimistic.....

[angelino]

Totti wont go to Inter... Moratti has stated that the money from Crespo will be used in order to reinforce their defence!

[Yasser]

For Inter they might go for Lucio / Metzelder / Mexes + Kily + Castillini of Torino..

[Maldini3]

If Totti stays at Roma , we still win !!! If he comes , he will have chance to share our victory..good for him ;)

[swissmilan]

Totti won't move to Inter, who is so stupid to play for them and win nothing? ;)