Serie A : Ac Milan vs As Roma

[artan]

Seria A : AC Milan vs As Roma

Saturday, 11.11.2006


Milan’s Scudetto dream is already in tatters, but they’ll look to restore some pride by damaging Roma’s title aspirations with three points in this San Siro clash.

The Rossoneri are a side in crisis and the pressure is building on Carlo Ancelotti. Last weekend’s shock 2-0 defeat at Atalanta followed back-to-back home defeats against Inter and Palermo leaving Milan 17 points back from Inter and out of the title race.

A number of controversial refereeing decisions have proven very costly for the Diavoli this term and led to conspiracy theories, but Ancelotti knows that it’s time for the excuses to stop and has called on his side to bounce back with three points. Although the Champions League is the priority, Carletto – who spent most of his playing career with Roma – is walking a fine line now and cannot afford any more slip-ups.

By contrast, Roma arrive in Milan high on confidence after last weekend’s 3-1 win over Fiorentina. Luciano Spalletti’s men showed grit and determination to come back from a goal down and were boosted by the brilliance of Rodrigo Taddei and a Daniele De Rossi rocket from 30 yards. However, the capital club have already lost twice this term and trail the leaders by four points. If Spalletti’s side harbour genuine Scudetto aspirations they can ill afford to let the gap widen any further.

Ancelotti received a midweek blow with news that Gennaro Gattuso’s knee injury sustained against Atalanta is more serious than first thought and will keep him out until the New Year. Cristian Brocchi is set to fill in. Giuseppe Favalli has recovered from a muscular problem and is available to start, but Kakha Kaladze’s thigh strain keeps him out of action. It seems that Dario Simic may get a chance to redeem himself for his poor performance in Bergamo as Alessandro Nesta is struggling to regain fitness in time. Serginho remains injured but Massimo Ambrosini may return.

Spalletti takes a strong squad to Milan. The only absentees are Ricardo Faty, who is out for a month with a muscular problem, and Gilberto Martinez who has a knee complaint. Roma are likely to start with Francesco Totti as a lone striker leaving Vincenzo Montella and Mirko Vucinic warming the bench.

Man on fire: Rodrigo Taddei (Roma) – His brace against Fiorentina bagged three crucial points for the Giallorossi and has sparked speculation that the Brazilian right winger may take advantage of his dual nationality to claim an Azzurri shirt.

Last season: Milan 2–1 Roma

Form guide: Milan (D L W L L) Roma (L D D W W)


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Milan (probable): Dida; Simic, Nesta, Maldini ,Janku , Brocchi , Pirlo Gour, Kaka Inzaghi, Gilardino

Roma (probable): Doni; Panucci, Mexes, Chivu, Tonetto; Pizarro, De Rossi, Taddei, Perrotta, Mancini; Totti



another defeat !? :holy:

[Ian]

Pippo and Gila again?????8[

[fillipo]

good preview artan!

I don't say we win but in these kinda games i think we are able to show our best!

i just hope we'll start furious thats the only way to win this games 100% concentrated

[Walker]

Great post Artan. I do believe we are no match for Roma. But then again Roma is a side that can put on a great display against Viola and simply horrible against Inter so all is possible.
Carlo can not start Gila and Pippo again. Gila alone upfront is a must with Kaka and Gurcuff behind him. I would bench Pirlo but with Rino and Seedorf out he is bound to start. If Simic starts he needs to play in center not on the right.

[Il Guerriero]

if he plays Gila-Pippo u can count on a another loss

[artan]

i am also sceptic about pippo-gila but oliva cant simply do the job.we miss also Sergio a lot. he could have played in a more advanced role now as forward. i mean , carlo used him few years ago , behind pippo as single striker, at that time sheva was off-form or injuried not sure.

[brickeberg]

i am also sceptic about pippo-gila but oliva cant simply do the job.we miss also Sergio a lot. he could have played in a more advanced role now as forward. i mean , carlo used him few years ago , behind pippo as single striker, at that time sheva was off-form or injuried not sure.

Gourcoff or Kaká can be used like that too.

[Yasser]

Using Kaka as a 2nd striker kills us.. He's our only big player and if you field him out of position, then he could under-perform and that's the last thing we need now.

I dunno why Gila spoke like a b!tch and said he can't play with Pippo.. Thing is Pippo at least tries hard and runs while Gila does nothing.. His signing so far have been nothing but a brilliant sale by Parma.. Gila needs to score goals and stop complaining about who partners him.. He wasn't that good when he had Sheva around him too..

[brickeberg]

Using Kaka as a 2nd striker kills us.. He's our only big player and if you field him out of position, then he could under-perform and that's the last thing we need now.

Maybe so, but right now I'm more concerned about the reports that Dida has an injury and Kalac will maybe play :omg: 8| I guess you guys have seen Kalac's two howlers against Brescia. That was amazing....

I dunno why Gila spoke like a b!tch and said he can't play with Pippo.. Thing is Pippo at least tries hard and runs while Gila does nothing.. His signing so far have been nothing but a brilliant sale by Parma.. Gila needs to score goals and stop complaining about who partners him.. He wasn't that good when he had Sheva around him too..

Well IMHO he is right. Gila and Pippo are similar as players and therefore they are in the way to each other. They are taking the same runs and seeing that Pippo is higher in the hierarchy it was Gila who needed to change the way he played and run and that's a tough task. Now he has started scoring in both Serie A and CL so he should just get better and better.

I saw the squad called up for the game and it seems that Antonelli did really well in the game against Brescia and he is called up.

[GattusoKing]

It sounds as though there's a question mark over Dida's fitness for the game after a back complaint. Just when you think you've reached the absolute pit of despair...

Kalac :S

[Yasser]

Let us concede 3 silly goals by Kalac so idiots like Galliani and co. realise their mistakes..

So un professionals..

[fillipo]

indeed kalac is not a great positive thing for our defence :(

[fillipo]

SQUAD FOR ROMA GAME
11/10/2006
GOALKEEPERS: Dida, Fiori, Kalac; DEFENDERS: Antonelli (n.31), Bonera, Cafu, Costacurta, Maldini, Nesta, Jankulovski, Simic; MIDFIELDERS: Brocchi, Gourcuff, Kakà, Pirlo, Seedorf; STRIKERS: Borriello, Gilardino, Inzaghi, Riccardo Oliveira

[artan]

indeed kalac is not a great positive thing for our defence :(


this is just bad news for a disastrous defence!

[artan]

our strikers should score and not complain about that who should play and who not. we have a coach who decides that( he is crapp but again a coach) !

[GattusoKing]

Official line-ups;

Milan (4-3-1-2): Dida; Simic, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Brocchi, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kakà; Ricardo Oliveira, Gilardino.

Roma (4-2-3-1): Doni; Panucci, Mexes, Chivu, Tonetto; De Rossi, Pizarro; Taddei, Perrotta, Mancini; Totti.


Forza Milan!!!!!!!

[fillipo]

anybody got a good stream?

[GattusoKing]

http://www.asiaplate.com/live.today.htm

[GattusoKing]

1-0 Totti

[Ian]

I take it Bravo has got delayed coverage?

[bendalazzi]

totti was left completely unmarked there. we are attacking well tho. but it's yet to pay off

[GattusoKing]

I take it Bravo has got delayed coverage?

Nope, tis on live ;)

[GattusoKing]

Clarence hits the bar.

[bendalazzi]

plus curse of the uncalled penalties ... *shakes head*

[bendalazzi]

man, Roma haven't made an attacking plan since they scored.

[GattusoKing]

Granted that it was offside but what on earth was that from Oliveira? The front two really are woeful.

[GattusoKing]

Oliveira off the bar.

[fillipo]

almost half time come on we need that goal!

[bendalazzi]

Granted that it was offside but what on earth was that from Oliveira? The front two really are woeful.

I second that motion

[bendalazzi]

HT Milan 0 : 1 Roma

I think we are attacking well just not finishing. Roma are relying on counter attacks and are just happy to defend it seems. We've hit the bar twice and I think an equaliser would most definately be on the cards.

[fillipo]

ok half time, we control the game we are the most dangerous side but we need to break though an early goal in the second half is a must otherwise we will lose also points in this game :(

pipo time?

[Ian]

Nope, tis on live ;)

I just realised, bloody Sky bar thing said it started at 88[

Doesn't look like I've missed much though!

[fillipo]

good effort by oliveira

[bendalazzi]

pippo warming up

[GattusoKing]

Brocchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ian]

Brocchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fillipo]

clarence gives it a try but to be honest we are really eager to score that goal but from the otherhand we also look a bit helpless

[fillipo]

Brocchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


i surely thought that was simic?

[fillipo]

Gol brocchi!!!!

wahahaha i'm looking at it delayed thats why

[bendalazzi]

Beautiful Brocchi

[bendalazzi]

roma really need to come out of their shell now. We have been the better side all game and we have the momentum to go on to win this :D ... I hope to God we do!

[GattusoKing]

I'm at the end of my tether with Gila. Another pitiful display and how Parma must be quietly chuckling to themselves.

[bendalazzi]

What the hell was that from Dida then?

[fillipo]

inzaghi ready to coming up for gila

[Ian]

Inzaghi looking sharp

[Ian]

Totti off the post!

[fillipo]

oww totti at the bar!

[Ian]

Great play from Janku

[Ian]

Kaka with another great shot

[Ian]

Yellow for Brocchi

[Ian]

Borriello for Oli

[Gurre]

Borriello for Oliveira

^^ Goodnight.

[bendalazzi]

I think Mancini woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

[Ian]

Freekick to Roma on the edge of the box

[fillipo]

panic in the roma box

[fillipo]

panic in the roma box

[GattusoKing]

Is Cafu so decrepit that he can't last ten minutes?

[Ian]

De Rossi really should have scored there - what a let off!

[GattusoKing]

Totti

[Ian]

Is Cafu so decrepit that he can't last ten minutes?

While Simic can't seem to put a decent ball in the box

Totti scores again

[Ian]

Looking like another defeat!;(

[fillipo]

good roma attack, totti finished us :(

[bendalazzi]

at least he didnt do the thumb in the mouth thing. thats really getting on my nerves.

[bendalazzi]

wait no ... yes he did

[Ian]

Another first for carlo - 40 yrs since we last lost three at home

Grazie carlo

[Ian]

Looks like desperate measures now!

[bendalazzi]

im beginning to forget what winning in serie a feels like. Perhaps we should think about battling as to whether we will be in europe next year.

[Ian]

I just hope Don Silvio and Galliani are watching this and are satisfied with what they have done to the club!

[GattusoKing]

Cantamessa to conduct the post-match interviews again?

[Ian]

im beginning to forget what winning in serie a feels like. Perhaps we should think about battling as to whether we will be in europe next year.

I'm worrying about staying in Serie A at the moment:o

[bendalazzi]

dont start this again guys. lets just stick to talking about the game.

[Ian]

Cantamessa to conduct the post-match interviews again?

I tink either Galliani or Don Silvio should do them.

[fillipo]

sorry guys i have to go, miss the end of the game.....

i really enjoyed carlo's tactical changes tonight :(

we did show some nice style of play but eventually it looks like we are lacking ....... i don't know

[Ian]

Inzaghi offside

[Ian]

It's funny as I remember Roma being an easy three points but it seems that is not the case now. How times have changed.

[bendalazzi]

new course at the University of Milan ... Shooting 101. An ideal investment for us.

[GattusoKing]

It'll be interesting to hear Carlo and/or Galliani discuss the performance for a change rather than hiding behind Cantamessa's paranoid diatribes.

I don't wish to see Gila start another game for the foreseeable future.

[Ian]

Well from what I saw I would say that the best team won. We had a lot of the play but Roma looked dangerous every time they attacked. Added to that the strange subs by carlo yet again and you can see why we lost again. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[Ian]

It'll be interesting to hear Carlo and/or Galliani discuss the performance for a change rather than hiding behind Cantamessa's paranoid diatribes.

I don't wish to see Gila start another game for the foreseeable future.

Thing is, who else can we play upfront? we haven't got a decent forward who can actually hold the front line for us. Oli and gila look short of confidence, Pippo is prone to being caught offside 9 times out of 10. And as for Borriello...:$

[Walker]

Is this the end???Are we in hell already or is there more in stock for us in the future???This Milan side is not a Team anymore. It is a bunch of people who put on same looking uniform and try to kick the ball around! Officialy it is over! And soon we will also know if we are to play in Europe in 07/08. If wew do not better say goodbye to Kaka. I love my wife but if she cheated on me twice a week I would dump the ***** no matter how hard it would be and no matter how many times in the past I told her I loved her!**** that!**** Carlo! **** Galliani!

[GattusoKing]

Yes, I think Roma marginally deserved their victory on the balance of play. They showed far more composure in the business area of the pitch and they equipped themselves fairly well defensively.

Contrarily, it takes a nothing ball to split us wide open. We can sign a striker in January but it'll count for nothing if we're still shipping goals at this rate. Perhaps Baresi can hop over from the youth setup and lend a hand coaching the back-line.

[Il Guerriero]

****ing Ancelotti!

[Ian]

Yes, I think Roma marginally deserved their victory on the balance of play. They showed far more composure in the business area of the pitch and they equipped themselves fairly well defensively.

Contrarily, it takes a nothing ball to split us wide open. We can sign a striker in January but it'll count for nothing if we're still shipping goals at this rate. Perhaps Baresi can hop over from the youth setup and lend a hand coaching the back-line.


It also doesn't help when carlo is bringing Borriello on!

[Danny]

Hands up; who was actually surprised by this result?

[Santi]

This is very worrying...the team just keep digging a bigger hole to get out of.

When the team was down a goal it fought back hard...we had a couple of unlucky plays, but then the team seemed to take it easy after the equaliser.
The strikers are not coming through, the defence has been bad...no motivation from the players, who are just going through the motions. Sad.

I wonder if Berluska still cares about Milan...if he did there is no way he would put up with this crap.

[brickeberg]

Well this game was just typical. We were ineffective, many players are clearly not on form, they are tired and are making too many individual mistakes. Those who blame Carlo for this season are naive and are not seeing how big problems the whole team has.

Oh well, I'll still say FORZA MILAN!!!!

[Yasser]

An intertesting fact:

Worse still, the 2-1 fall to Roma was the first time in 40 years they’ve suffered three consecutive home defeats in the top flight.

Yet another 40 years old record that Ancelotti breaks.. Following the 4-0s in the Uefa Cup and CL.. :)

What is his next plan?

Forza Milan!

[Yasser]

Sorry Ian already mentioned the new record :p

Anyway, we done nothing good in this game.. Only long shots, see how Roma made their passes, we'll never do that with Carlo coaching us, I wonder how close is Kaka to Madrid now.. Pherhaps closer than ever, we are risking not only no CL but even we could be swapping divsions with Juve next season.. Wow!

[castagnola21]

i feel sick

[Walter]

What is his next plan?

Maybe falling into serie B-chasm with players like Kaka and co.?

[GattusoKing]

Those who blame Carlo for this season are naive and are not seeing how big problems the whole team has.

If he was a genuine world-class coach, making tactically astute decisions, introducing substitutes at the correct junctures and still it didn't work, then I'd say fine, stick with Carlo until the season's end.

But he's not, is he. Tactically, he's both prosaic and limited, his utilisation of substitutes has always been poor, and he no longer seems capable of motivating the players.

So, in sacking him, I don't think there's a great deal to lose.

[castagnola21]

If he was a genuine world-class coach, making tactically astute decisions, introducing substitutes at the correct junctures and still it didn't work, then I'd say fine, stick with Carlo until the season's end.

But he's not, is he. Tactically, he's both prosaic and limited, his utilisation of substitutes has always been poor, and he no longer seems capable of motivating the players.

So, in sacking him, I don't think there's a great deal to lose.

i agree 100%. game after game carlo is tossing out the same product and getting the same poor performances.

[Cenz]

Yet another insipid result; i remember the days when the san siro was a fortress for us. now its like sicily in 43.
Surely Ancelotti has to be on his way out now. Thats probably the only positive i can think of after losing 3 home games straight. Maybe we can get Mike Bassett to coach us.
"we're better than the mexicans"

[VUGAR]

Fokin Ancelotti :mad:

[Yasser]

Spalletti got worse players and more injuries, yet his team plays better.. So those who thinks our squad isn't good enough can go support Inter!

Roma are very limited compared to us, see the difference between both teams.. The different is Spalletti and Ancelotti!

[Haroon]

What is his next plan?

Maybe falling into serie B-chasm with players like Kaka and co.?

:d

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We are being linked with Ronaldinho but the biggest problem will be to try and convince Kaka to stay. Every club will be on our case like a bunch of vultures in a bidding war for Kaka --- Chelsea, Arse, Utd., Barcelona, Real. 8|

Ancelotti is going in any case next Summer if not fired before that. It is the ego of Berlusconi and Galliani that is preventing them from firing Ancelotti. The simple reason is that they will look like dumb idiots for not relieving Porky earlier. :P

If we miss out on the 4th place which is not likely as yet but it could happen then we will have a rough time to hold on to our stars as it is. Kaka will surely have doubts in any case after this season thinking that his Milan stay was cursed as he won nothing with the club and who can blame him?

The chief person to be fired has to be Galliani for starting all this mess beginning from calciopoli to the dreadful transfer campaign which sees us suffering like this. Galliani is being paid back for his skullduggery to this club through a consequence of results. One has to love nature as everything comes full circle in due time. Nobody gets away with it. It all evens up in the end. That's how the world works.

[Yasser]

Our players LACK MOVEMENT without the ball.. See how Roma were running all over the pitch and see how our idiots were watching!

I'd like Cesare Maldini to takeover till the summer..

And get in Rijkaard/Lippi/Spalletti in the summer.

ps. What is the use of Gilardino on the pitch? He can do nothing right!

[Leffe]

Why does everybody blame Gilardino ? Was Oliviera good except his shot against cross bar ????

Also I expected much more from Gila than what he showed us this season but don't write him off !!!

We are just not good enough with this squad, we need young talented defenders and a world class midfielder and a magic striker like we had with Sheva !!

[Filipez]

above all we need a new coach!!!

[artan]

both gila and oliviera dissapointed yesterday. were able to nothing, lazy , no movement, ....are they Milan class at all?
gilardino has two good days in 4 months , oliviera scores only once in three months...
seedorf, pirlo dissapointing night , wrong passes which lead to Roma 1:2. carlo having no balls , as usual , to field in 3 strikers, bah ...

[artan]

above all we need a new coach!!!


that morron after three consecutive defeeats admits milan are in crisis.! who are to blame now , the refs , fortune , what else...

[artan]

ian , as for pippo i agree he is limitied techn., but at least he tries do something,... being offside is far better than being 'out of the game for 70 mins.

[bendalazzi]

I wouldn't wanna drop Ancelotti right now. But this season is getting more and more disappointing. I agree with the motive of having a Baresi or Cesare Maldini takeover as Maldini did do a decent job for at least an interim period. But yes, with under 2 months until the January transfer period I'd say if anything were to happen management wise they would give Ancelotti until then to turn things around. At least I think that would be reasonable.

[fillipo]

carlo realy doesn't show that he is trying!

About gila he was really bad, but he simply isn't the player that sheva is. we have to face that we really miss him.

We didn't really played bad last night but we just lack a bit of quality and we have a coach that really only has 1 plan and thats it....

If we can arrange replacements then i say in January get a new coach instead of this summer and try to bring a striker that can decide games on his own.

That might be enough to secure this season

[Gurre]

<b>Attention</b>

Milan have taken a new approach for the future, judging from Berlusconi. Nothing will change this summer, the development we've seen the last three or so years will continue.

True or not, this wouldn't have been said some years ago when this president and owner actually had some ambitions...

<i>'Our Carletto is untouchable.' This is what president Silvio Berlusconi had to say as he confirmed his faith in Ancelotti. As he left the stadium, he said: 'It didn't seem as if Milan played that badly.' Kakà added: 'Berlusconi came to the dressing room after the encounter. He told coach Ancelotti to stay tough and that with will and strength we will come out of it. He said, 'Don't give up'.'</i>

Sounds like Galliani, but this is actually Berlusconi. He said the exact thing after Palermo. What is happening

PS. Don't blame Gilardino and such players. We should all feel sorry for this expensive talent for being tricked into this club's fake ambitious future. DS.

[Gurre]

This is also nice to read, from www.tgcom.it.

Berlusconi:

<i>Carletto non si tocca. Non credo faremo grossi colpi di mercato</i>

Ancelotti will not move, and he also thinks no big buys are needed.

^^ Did they have a surgery on his brain instead of his prostate?

[brickeberg]

^^ Did they have a surgery on his brain instead of his prostate?

Maybe Rossi and Moratti payed the surgeon a little extra? :P

But seriously, when did we start to believe Berlusconi and Galliani when then talk about the mercato?

[Haroon]

<b>Attention</b>

Milan have taken a new approach for the future, judging from Berlusconi. Nothing will change this summer, the development we've seen the last three or so years will continue.

True or not, this wouldn't have been said some years ago when this president and owner actually had some ambitions...

<i>'Our Carletto is untouchable.' This is what president Silvio Berlusconi had to say as he confirmed his faith in Ancelotti. As he left the stadium, he said: 'It didn't seem as if Milan played that badly.' Kakà added: 'Berlusconi came to the dressing room after the encounter. He told coach Ancelotti to stay tough and that with will and strength we will come out of it. He said, 'Don't give up'.'</i>

Sounds like Galliani, but this is actually Berlusconi. He said the exact thing after Palermo. What is happening

PS. Don't blame Gilardino and such players. We should all feel sorry for this expensive talent for being tricked into this club's fake ambitious future. DS.

It's wrong to blame the players IMO. It's not their fault. The fault lies with Berlusconi, Galliani and Ancelotti. All of them have contributed to this current fiasco and shambles.

To make matters worse, they act as if nothing much has happened and turn a blind eye to reality stating that Judas wants to return, or we played well, we are unlucky, the ball did not go in and the list goes on.

This attitude of acting like a bunch of pusssies of the highest order has also infiltrated into the players somewhat. We need to wipe the slate clean and start afresh. Season 2009-10 couldn't come any sooner for me personally.

[brickeberg]

It's wrong to blame the players IMO. It's not their fault. The fault lies with Berlusconi, Galliani and Ancelotti. All of them have contributed to this current fiasco and shambles.

To make matters worse, they act as if nothing much has happened and turn a blind eye to reality stating that Judas wants to return, or we played well, we are unlucky, the ball did not go in and the list goes on.

This attitude of acting like a bunch of pusssies of the highest order has also infiltrated into the players somewhat. We need to wipe the slate clean and start afresh. Season 2009-10 couldn't come any sooner for me personally.

To be fair Haroon it's players fault too. It's not Berlusconi, Galliani and Ancelotti who miss all those scoring opportunities or who can't manmark on the pitch. IMHO this season we have so much going against us that it is absurd.

But you are right, I don't like the complaining and the attitude of the team and the management lately. They are acting like pusssies instead of working even harder and trying to figure things out.

Well now we have lost against the top 4 teams, let's crush the others. Forza MILAN!

[castagnola21]

the players are playing a system that carlo has put into place, so i think it is unfair to blame them. i dont think carlo knows how to coach. he never had to coach sheva and pippo before because at the time they were both on the top of there game. now gila needs some coaching and direction and there is nothing there.

it is a disgrace that carlo is still the coach after all this. milan play too relaxed, no movement, lazy passing, how many times did milan give up position in there own 1/3? a lot! bad passing. one of the announcers said yesterday, "it's a toothless attack".

[brickeberg]

the players are playing a system that carlo has put into place, so i think it is unfair to blame them. i dont think carlo knows how to coach. he never had to coach sheva and pippo before because at the time they were both on the top of there game. now gila needs some coaching and direction and there is nothing there.

Frankly I don't think we should blame anyone, because there are so many things that are wrong with the team right now.

Yes the players are playing Carlo's system but Carlo can't help them convert a scoring opportunity neither he can help them to man mark properly. They have do to that themselves on the pitch.

[drew]

i am very scared for this club, all i can see is us losing kaka, noone wanting to play for us, and we are 4 points off relegation! How on earth can we continue with ancelotti, enough is enough, he is totally clueless, the problem now seems to be mental, low confidence, low expectations, carlo is utterly useless, we were the better side for a lot of the game, but we cant finish, noone can afford to not replace a player like sheva!! In the 18 years i have been a milan fan i have seen such a chenge in mentality, i dont think berlusconis heart is in this anymore, our ambition has just diminished

[drew]

the players are playing a system that carlo has put into place, so i think it is unfair to blame them. i dont think carlo knows how to coach. he never had to coach sheva and pippo before because at the time they were both on the top of there game. now gila needs some coaching and direction and there is nothing there.

it is a disgrace that carlo is still the coach after all this. milan play too relaxed, no movement, lazy passing, how many times did milan give up position in there own 1/3? a lot! bad passing. one of the announcers said yesterday, "it's a toothless attack".

well said!

I have never seen a coach keep his job for so long after being so awful,

he is destroying this club, if we lose kaka it will be fatal, he is becoming the best playere in the world, and taking ronaldinhos crown, we HAVE to show him the ambition

[castagnola21]

Frankly I don't think we should blame anyone, because there are so many things that are wrong with the team right now.

Yes the players are playing Carlo's system but Carlo can't help them convert a scoring opportunity neither he can help them to man mark properly. They have do to that themselves on the pitch.

there are a lot of things wrong right now, but there doesn't seem to be any pressure on those who are responsible for running/coaching the club. you're right carlo cant help them convert opportunities but as a coach he should be able to coach them to create more/better opportunities. the chases the forwards get are not all that good. in serie a more than half of milan goals are from shoots from outside the box. that is not ideal.

[brickeberg]

there are a lot of things wrong right now, but there doesn't seem to be any pressure on those who are responsible for running/coaching the club. you're right carlo cant help them convert opportunities but as a coach he should be able to coach them to create more/better opportunities. the chases the forwards get are not all that good. in serie a more than half of milan goals are from shoots from outside the box. that is not ideal.

You are right. I certaintly agree that Carlo has dropped the ball. I just disagree that it's solely his fault. And IMHO I like those screamers from outside of the penalty area ;)

[GattusoKing]

i am very scared for this club

As am I. I'm also tired. Tired of trying to rationalise the strategems of the club, and I'm equally tired of waiting for Berlusconi to awake from the self-induced comatose state he's been in since May 29th 2003. We began making an enemy of our future on said date and our slide has continued unarrested since.

If Berlusconi can contribute in nothing other than spirit any longer, then please, for the love of God and my sanity, hand over the keys.

[fillipo]

something else, GONGRATS CLARENCE! finally he's back in the national!!!!

I hope this is a real motivation bomb for him i know he wanted this very bad.

and if i'm correct we practice against england so we'll have an easy sparring partner in them:D don't we drew?

[Leffe]

I'm happy for Clarence ;) :thumb:

And our players doesn't trust Carlo anymore, remember the fight between Carlo and Seedorf a few weeks ago, Sheva's argument with Carlo, Kaká who had a big fight 2 weeks ago few hours before Anderlecht game, for me it says enough

[drew]

something else, GONGRATS CLARENCE! finally he's back in the national!!!!

I hope this is a real motivation bomb for him i know he wanted this very bad.

and if i'm correct we practice against england so we'll have an easy sparring partner in them:D don't we drew?

mclaren..............ancelotti...........there both horse shiit

[Ian]

I'm happy for Clarence ;) :thumb:

And our players doesn't trust Carlo anymore, remember the fight between Carlo and Seedorf a few weeks ago, Sheva's argument with Carlo, Kaká who had a big fight 2 weeks ago few hours before Anderlecht game, for me it says enough

I still think that was ancelotti was a a major factor behind Sheva's decision to leave. You never know perhaps Don Silvio had told Sheva that ancellotti was leaving and that is what prompted him to say he would like a return?

I think you can tell from watching the games that the players have lost faith with carlo.

[Yasser]

I'm happy for Clarence ;) :thumb:

And our players doesn't trust Carlo anymore, remember the fight between Carlo and Seedorf a few weeks ago, Sheva's argument with Carlo, Kaká who had a big fight 2 weeks ago few hours before Anderlecht game, for me it says enough

So maybe they will sell Kaka and Seedorf just like they did to Sheva.. :p

[artan]

happy for clarence, worried about Milan. i donot care about players, just for the club, as we are going downwards.i hopewe dont land in B.

[Haroon]

Our targets to achieve in a futuristic timeline by the look of things so far are:

1. Attain at least 4th spot in the Serie A (looking difficult right now)

2. Get to the knock-out of the UCL (looking easy right now)

3. Get to the SF of the UCL once we are in the knock-out (a lot of that depends on the quality of opposition we face)

4. Get to the second spot of the Serie A if we manage to get within touching distance i.e. attain 4th position. (Unlikely but we can hope)

5. Try to retain Kaka as the likelihood of Kaka asking for a transfer request could be on the cards. (A very frustrating 2007 Summer for us any way you look at it)

6. Carlo will be gone by next Summer if not before so I am not considering that target in any case. I would be surprised and bitter if he stays on. (Very likely that he will go in the Summer if not fired this Season)

7. Get quality players in the Summer rather than quantity to make up the numbers. (This task becomes extremely DIFFICULT if we don't qualify for the UCL directly!! A frustrating wait till mid-August for stars to arrive and even then there are no guarantees per se).


All in all, missing out on the 2nd position (automatic UCL spot) could make life very hard for us even in the Summer. No need to mention what happens if we achieve 5th place!! Kaka is gone in that scenario!

Galliani will come out and say that "Even though I had ordered my sons to do anything to me IF I SOLD KAKA, but the reality is that I tried my best to keep him. It is Kaka who wanted to leave and at Milan we don't keep players against their will. I wish him all the best even though he will miss Milan like Sheva does."

[fillipo]

Our targets to achieve in a futuristic timeline by the look of things so far are:

1. Attain at least 4th spot in the Serie A (looking difficult right now)

2. Get to the knock-out of the UCL (looking easy right now)

3. Get to the SF of the UCL once we are in the knock-out (a lot of that depends on the quality of opposition we face)

4. Get to the second spot of the Serie A if we manage to get within touching distance i.e. attain 4th position. (Unlikely but we can hope)

5. Try to retain Kaka as the likelihood of Kaka asking for a transfer request could be on the cards. (A very frustrating 2007 Summer for us any way you look at it)

6. Carlo will be gone by next Summer if not before so I am not considering that target in any case. I would be surprised and bitter if he stays on. (Very likely that he will go in the Summer if not fired this Season)

7. Get quality players in the Summer rather than quantity to make up the numbers. (This task becomes extremely DIFFICULT if we don't qualify for the UCL directly!! A frustrating wait till mid-August for stars to arrive and even then there are no guarantees per se).


All in all, missing out on the 2nd position (automatic UCL spot) could make life very hard for us even in the Summer. No need to mention what happens if we achieve 5th place!! Kaka is gone in that scenario!

Galliani will come out and say that "Even though I had ordered my sons to do anything to me IF I SOLD KAKA, but the reality is that I tried my best to keep him. It is Kaka who wanted to leave and at Milan we don't keep players against their will. I wish him all the best even though he will miss Milan like Sheva does."


We'll see what happen but it is realistic what you put here

[drew]

Well i think we need to take a stand, whether its carlo, silvio or galliani one of them is to blamne, but like haroon so rightly says, this season is a right off IMO so all were waiting for is a frustrating summer. At what point will something be done, because next season if we sign recoba from inter on a free, and strengthen our ranks with pagliuca, vierchowod and di livio then what.....we wait til summer 2008, this club needs to show ambition, we need to sit kaka down and say that this summer, we WILL sign the correct players, and that carlo will go and a quality one bought in.

But we will here the same **** we hear every year, we have a great squad and we need no major change, and maldini will be being dragged out, with cafu, inzaghi and the rest

[fillipo]

you guys are really by far to dramatical...

only concern is getting into the top 4 spot this season, how we'll do it i don't care. For the rest everyting will be fine.

This might sounds easy and you can reply with another long own made theory about evil management etc. etc. But if we can help ourselfs this season there is nothing to worry about we'll be competitive. But winning prices thats something you need more for then only money and that is exactly what we miss at this moment. Not that we at this moment are capable of winning any price but we need to win games thats the only concern.

[Foreverkaka']

My ratings=
Dida 6.5,Simic 5.5 Nesta 6 Maldini 6.5 Jankulovski 3,Brocchi 7.5,Pirlo 6.5,Seedorf 5.5,Kaka 5.5 Gila 5.5 Oliveira 6

Ancelotti 3.5

Roma

Totti 8
Taddei 7
Aquilani 7.5
Perrotta 2

[Foreverkaka']

according to you,seedorf played great and we dominated roma so bad but you miss some details guys,3 Players(Seedorf,Brocchi and Pirlo) can dominated 2 players midfield;de rossi and pizzaro since perrotta was not seen on the pitch,whenever aquilani came in and they equaled 3-3 man then roma dominated us so bad-and ur seedorf lost a ball in a dangerous area and we lost the game because of him.

[fillipo]

the goal was absolutely clarence his fault yes it was!

so what, last week it was nesta who ****ed up and next week it will be another player i don't think we should focus to much on that.

i do agree on you ratings except for janku he was bad indeed but a 3? and oliveira did try hard but he looks desperate a 6 is indeed absolute the most he should receive.

[Foreverkaka']

what was marek doing when roma scored the first goal?let me guess,watching taddei from distance by walking slowly instead of running fastly and trying to defend.

howmany good balls that Marek crossed for Gila and Oliveira vs Roma?considering Maldini had perfect cross for gila during around 35th minute

just because of that i gave a 3 to him

[Gurre]

No offense dude but your ratings are way off.

Maldini was really awful, yet again. He was the heaviest factor of Totti scoring two goals, he lost marking at both occassions and did also fault at many other occassions that could have been costly.

6.5 is waaaay too much. I would place him in the region of 5.0.

Nesta? As usual he didn't do much good. 6.0? Did you see how he kindly passed Taddei at the first goal? Is that enough for giving him an O.K. rating?

Jankulovski had a bad night, didn't contribute. However, I would place him much higher than both Nesta and Maldini. He had at least no big part in Roma's goals and wasn't a constant pain for the eyes.


Also Pirlo and Oliveira didn't deserve such high grades.

[drew]

you guys are really by far to dramatical...

only concern is getting into the top 4 spot this season, how we'll do it i don't care. For the rest everyting will be fine.

This might sounds easy and you can reply with another long own made theory about evil management etc. etc. But if we can help ourselfs this season there is nothing to worry about we'll be competitive. But winning prices thats something you need more for then only money and that is exactly what we miss at this moment. Not that we at this moment are capable of winning any price but we need to win games thats the only concern.

your just too damn laid back Oranje

in the scale of being relaxed

relaxed.....laid back......very laid back......horizontal.....Dutch

:P

[mchanna]

No offense dude but your ratings are way off.

Maldini was really awful, yet again. He was the heaviest factor of Totti scoring two goals, he lost marking at both occassions and did also fault at many other occassions that could have been costly.

6.5 is waaaay too much. I would place him in the region of 5.0.

Nesta? As usual he didn't do much good. 6.0? Did you see how he kindly passed Taddei at the first goal? Is that enough for giving him an O.K. rating?

Jankulovski had a bad night, didn't contribute. However, I would place him much higher than both Nesta and Maldini. He had at least no big part in Roma's goals and wasn't a constant pain for the eyes.


Also Pirlo and Oliveira didn't deserve such high grades.

how was maldini responsible for the 1st goal?
As I see it, nesta was responsible for both.
With contribution of seedorf and maldini in the 2nd.
It isn't as we don't know that Totti is the goal machine. I still can't believe, that nobody considered him.

[Gurre]

It's not that easy to point out one single player as the only factor that made Totti score or that one single player had the whole responsibility. A bunch of players are responsible, more or less. Maldini is more IMHO, but these two factors should be taken under consideration.

- Nesta shouldn't have given away the ball to Taddei.
- Taddei had no marking, someone except Maldini and Nesta should be marking him.

However, in the crucial moment, when Totti scored, Maldini didn't mark him. It was his job to mark Totti, you can see it just before Taddei got the ball and his markingmovements. When Taddei was alone with the ball, Maldini got confused and started to push Taddei and completley let go of Totti.

Watch the highlights from the official website again. Before Nesta gives away the ball, Maldini has good marking on Totti. Watches him, is infront of him (where he should be) but when Taddei gets the ball, he forgets Totti, moves forward whereas Totti goes "backwards" and gets alone.

Result? Free Totti and goal.

The second goal, yes Seedorf shouldn't have lost the ball but it was indeed a great interception by a Roma player. A factor but not the decisive one IMHO.

Nesta wasn't 100% in that situation either, but yet again Maldini <b>lost marking on the goalscorer</b> and gave away several metres to Totti both before and during the move.

This scenario is simply too frequent these days.

[fillipo]

your just too damn laid back Oranje

in the scale of being relaxed

relaxed.....laid back......very laid back......horizontal.....Dutch

:P


here in holland the doctors keep us calm with special descriptions :D:D

Tonight clarence will kick your *** british boy!!!

he will score and ran to mvb and jump in his arms this is great love story :D

[Ian]

here in holland the doctors keep us calm with special descriptions :D:D

Tonight clarence will kick your *** british boy!!!

he will score and ran to mvb and jump in his arms this is great love story :D

And then you will wake up and realise it was all a dream...:P