Ascoli - Milan

[VUGAR]

..first game! Must start well!

[Elchillum]

vugar ... i feel like kicking ya a$$ ;) by starting such a thread ;)

i wanted to boycot :D

cheers :beer:

[GattusoKing]

:lol:

If Clarence starts ahead of Marek, I'm off to the woods with my trusty 12 Gauge. There's bullets for all ;)

[Elchillum]

:lol:

If Clarence starts ahead of Marek, I'm off to the woods with my trusty 12 Gauge. There's bullets for all ;)

save a bullet for me!

forza milan :)

cheers :beer:

[Qasá]

i can almost guarantee that seedorf will start ahead of marek. its just the way things are done....but im pretty sure we'll see him at somepoint during the match

[Elchillum]

i can almost guarantee that seedorf will start ahead of marek. its just the way things are done....but im pretty sure we'll see him at somepoint during the match

I wonder who will start ...

VIERI? ... I HOPE SO ... with him in the squad we dont need an extra good midfielder at times becuz the dude on his own fysically holds up 2 men on him ... which gives us something good! ... imo

sheva-vieri will start ... if sheva's benched he'll be pissed off i guess ... gila wasnt there yesterday ... probably he'll come in for vieri during the game ...

marek or seedorf? whot's the discussion bout that? ...

It's or sergio / kaladze / marek ... or 2 of them ... maybe he's not fully fit yet so IMO sergio and kaladze will start ...

Seedorf ... let him rest for now :p

cheers :beer:

[Xudong]

I wonder who will start ...

VIERI? ... I HOPE SO ... with him in the squad we dont need an extra good midfielder at times becuz the dude on his own fysically holds up 2 men on him ... which gives us something good! ... imo

sheva-vieri will start ...

Vieri will not start. Want to bet on it? Actually, I can tell you now that Ancelotti will not start him either against Ascoli or Siena. HE WAS BANNED!!! :p

:lol:

[pas]

I wonder who will start ...

VIERI? ... I HOPE SO ... with him in the squad we dont need an extra good midfielder at times becuz the dude on his own fysically holds up 2 men on him ... which gives us something good! ... imo

sheva-vieri will start ... if sheva's benched he'll be pissed off i guess ... gila wasnt there yesterday ... probably he'll come in for vieri during the game ...

marek or seedorf? whot's the discussion bout that? ...

It's or sergio / kaladze / marek ... or 2 of them ... maybe he's

cheers :beer:

Chillo, can you tell me, do I mix smth up or you really was a bobo-hater before? coz it doesnt look this way now... :rolleyes:

btw, according to Kondr, Bobo is suspended for the first 2 games

[Elchillum]

well didnt know that ;) explains why gila was on the bench yesterday!

yeah i was against vieri but you must admit that with the azzurri + with milan he has done great (seems in condition already) ... in the end i only want the best for milan!

cheers :beer:

[pas]

well, perhaps, with milan not yet. what I am really proud of is the thing, that every second player in the azzuri is a milanista! wonderful!

[ac_champs]

this is my starting line up:

dida
nesta - maldini - stam
cafu - rino - pirlo - seedorf/janku
kaka
sheva - gila

prediction: 3-0 milan: sheva, gila, kaka

[Leffe]

We must start with a BANG :) I have faith in a good start, all our players know that a good start is a must :)

It's up to them :)

[RossoneriBAKU]

this is my starting line up:

dida
nesta - maldini - stam
cafu - rino - pirlo - seedorf/janku
kaka
sheva - gila

prediction: 3-0 milan: sheva, gila, kaka
Your defence line is good, but we need change order: Stam-Nesta-Maldini ;)

I prefer Serginho, rather than Seedorf/Janku :_1_combat

[Milan_Fan]

Me too ;)

[pas]

Your defence line is good, but we need change order: Stam-Nesta-Maldini ;)



I think the right order is Nesta, Stam, Maldini ;)

exept of these guys I'd like to see dida, kafu,gattuso, pirlo,kaka, janku, sheva,gila. so, almost nothing new. except, janku and gila.
but it looks like Paolo wont play because of his knee. very nasty thing. so it could be kakha who ll play instead.

[VUGAR]

I would not field seedorf or janku know as well...I would opt for serginho as he is in great form...

[Santi]

I doubt Janku will start...nor Seedorf, probably Ambro will start.

Kaladze played well in some pre-season games, I hope he starts at lb.

So sweet to finally have Serie A back...Scudetto here we come. :D

FORZA MILAN!!!

[swissmilan]

I doubt Ancelotti changes the system.

I guess we play like this:

Dida
Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Kaladze
Gattuso-Pirlo-Serginho
Kaka
Sheva-Gila

I don't have a good feeling about this year's season not even for our first game. Hope the team show that I'm wrong.

[Mix]

---------Dida
Cafu Stam Nesta Kaladze
-Ambrosini Pirlo Seedorf
---------Kaka
-Gilardino Shevchenko

Max is in form and Maldini has some minor problems. I see no point in risking our captain versus Ascoli, hence Kaladze will play.

I don't think we will try the 3412 straight away. If we are winning with a big margin Marek might come on but certainly not from the kickoff IMHO.

[Elchillum]

fooock all those systems! we play vs ASCOLI ...!!!!! if we dont win this game the end is coming near!

cheers :beer:

[GattusoKing]

I don't have a good feeling about this year's season not even for our first game.

I don't think I've seen nor heard from a Milan fan who doesn't echo those sentiments. When I look at Milan at the moment from pillar to post, I can't help but think we're sliding toward another Dark Age a la 1996-1998, 2000-2002. If Galliani acts now, he could prevent it............but he won't. He's too busy trying to become that same man who was architect of our previous downfalls.

My prediction is that of an unconvincing 1-0 win. Sheva.

[swissmilan]

My prediction is that of an unconvincing 1-0 win. Sheva.

Agree :thumb: :rolleyes:

[Mix]

I don't think I've seen nor heard from a Milan fan who doesn't echo those sentiments.

I beg to... Erhm... Differ. :D

Unlike many around here I still rate us as a much better team than Juventus and Inter haven't proven squat yet besides looking hard on paper. :)

Just don't change your mind if this team proves you wrong, OK bro?

[GattusoKing]

Unless we suddenly start winning games convincingly, on a consistent basis, and the fragility of the squad is dealt with, I doubt I'll have any cause to change my mind, alas :(

I like your optimism though ;)

[RossoneriBAKU]

Stop talking about Captain's mystical injury, if it was the truth, then Galliani already transferred new defender, because this rumours started a few monthes ago ;)

My starting line-up:

DIDA

STAM-NESTA-MALDINI

CAFU-GATTUSO-PIRLO-SEEDORF

KAKA

SHEVCHENKO-GILARDINO

:king: :king: :king:

[Filipez]

please no seedorf!!

DIDA

STAM-NESTA-MALDINI

CAFU-GATUSSO-PIRLO-JANKU/KALADZE

KAKA

SHEVA-GILA

[pas]

yeah, I agree with you. the performance shuold be of 100%. I dont mind Serginho, he seems to be in a nice shape. but I have a bad feeling that seedorf is carlo's favourite :(

[VUGAR]

------Dida------
nesta--stam--kaladze
Cafu-------------Janku
---------pirlo-------
----rino-------------
----------kaka------
------Sheva---Vieri---

[Elchillum]

seedorf in the past, has always done great in the beginning of the season ...

cheers :beer:

[angelino]

Very true Egied :)

Of his 5-6 goals a season usually 4 will be scored within the first few games :D

[pas]

then he gets bored and wary of this life...

[Mix]

...And when Seedorf scores he gets hailed only to be bashed later on.

And round and round we go.

[KONDR]

Yeah Mix ;)
I just learned to ignore these posts...

[GattusoKing]

That's the way of the world gentlemen. It's no different for anyone else in any walk of life.

Seedorf just so happens to play one good game where you're afforded a glimmer of hope, and then he'll follow that with ten absolute stinkers.

Carlo could, of course, render this discussion moot by simply dropping him. I live in hope ;)

[Elchillum]

you also need the players to sub em ... sometimes i understand him ... but why not putting KK in mid? strange decisions sometimes, very true ... anyway he holds the group together in a very good way which is a possitive aspect and in top games, tactically ea milan-real madrid was a masterpiece for the tacticals out there ... whot a game :o

come on lads ;) go for it!

cheers :beer:

[Leffe]

Only 3 more days to sleep and yes it starts again, can't wait, lasted long enough for me :D

[artan]

he will probably score two goals in the first match , milan will either loose or draw!

[Qasá]

Guys, why allt eh pessimism??? :(

I can understand that we're all miffed about the mercato and how things have gone etc, but this is a NEW SEASON, and please, why not give everyone a fresh slate? Give them a few games to see how things go, and then start to slate them (if u must) when things go bad? Rather than be totally dismissive rigth from the onset...

We're not Interfans, so please be supportive? :(

[Leffe]

Indeed nobody is positive anymore, it's a brand new season, don't you think our guys want to win? Ofcourse they want so be positive guys, come on FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORZA MILAN

[pas]

I am positive.
fristly, its a new season;
secondly we have got not a bad team (dispite not a brilliant performance we almost got smth or even everything last season);
thirdly, we be became even stronger during mercato time,have got some fresh blood;
forthly, players are greedy, eager to strike back.
some changes to our playing gonna be made (1-3-4-1-2; change of role of certain players), so we shall play another way this season
fively, I cant be pessimistic when I havent seen a single game to judge so...

[Attila]

For those of you living in the UK how are you going to follow the match on TV ?

PS.
I know the bars in London , but I am a bit upset that Eurosport won't be showing the game

[GattusoKing]

I'll probably watch it via the Net although I haven't looked for a stream yet.

[Ian]

For those of you living in the UK how are you going to follow the match on TV ?

PS.
I know the bars in London , but I am a bit upset that Eurosport won't be showing the game

It's on a delay on Setanta sports at 5:30 p.m., I don't know what streams it will be on though, though I'm sure there will be streams available ;)

[Danny]

I'll probably watch it via the Net although I haven't looked for a stream yet.

Can't find one either. I'm relying on streams this year for my Milan coverage.

[Mix]

Gazzetta dello Sport's predicted lineup:

---------Dida
Cafu Nesta Stam Kaladze
-Ambrosini Pirlo Serginho
---------Kaka
-Gilardino Shevchenko

Looks like a camouflaged 3412 to me. Should be entertaining to watch our brazilians and also Max who gets the nod ahead of Rino.

Forza Milan

[Filipez]

max instead of rino. hmm, dont know, last seasen gatusso wasnt our best player, he was very average :( .

[jani]

You cant get it wrong when you have Brazillians attacking from the right, left and center

[Leffe]

Only 1 hour and 26 minutes to go whiiiiiiiiii :clap: AT LAST :) ELchi is on the way to my house with a major headache :D

[Danny]

And for those of you who don't have Bravo and Setanta, like me, the game is on PPlive on CCTV5 at 2pm GMT.

[Qasá]

PPlive on CCTV5 - what channel is that?

[Danny]

Do a google for PPlive - it's a software program. Then install version 1.0.7.4. Then go http://www.pplive.com/source.shtml there and choose CCTV 5 *play*. Give it some time and let it do its thing and it should work just fine.

[Qasá]

cheers mate thanx a lot, id buy u a drink if i could :thumb:

[pas]

And for those of you who don't have Bravo and Setanta, like me, the game is on PPlive on CCTV5 at 2pm GMT.

hey, lads, can u tell me what one needs to watch it the way as you gonna watch? whats pplive and CCTV5?

[pas]

Do a google for PPlive - it's a software program. Then install version 1.0.7.4. Then go http://www.pplive.com/source.shtml there and choose CCTV 5 *play*. Give it some time and let it do its thing and it should work just fine.

thank u, Danny. cheers, mate!

[Qasá]

mate, read up...danny's explained it all

[Danny]

Only problem I get with PPlive is it has a nasty habit of randomly crashing.

[Qasá]

yeah, its also made my whole internet MEGA SLOW... but i dont mind that really....as logn as i can watch the match :)

[Danny]

It's a weak connection today, a bit unreliable.
But besides that, the pitch is RIDICULOUS. I can't believe how waterlogged it is. How did this match go ahead?

[pas]

btw, max is the captain

[ac_champs]

the water on the pitch is making the game really slow and difficult for the players.....

[Qasá]

can someone please post the team lineup?

[ac_champs]

ASCOLI-MILAN, LE FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI
28/08/2005
ASCOLI - Così in campo al Del Duca:

ASCOLI: Coppola; Carbone, Cudini, Lauro, Tosto; Foggia, Cristiano, Parola, Fini; Quagliarella, Ferrante

MILAN: Dida; Cafu, Stam, Nesta, Kaladze; Ambrosini, Pirlo, Serginho; Kakà; Shevchenko, Gilardino

acmilan.com

[ac_champs]

the ascoli players are falling like flies because of the watery pitch and they are getting free kicks for it....

[ac_champs]

half time

[Danny]

Dreadful first half. The conditions were a joke, and some of the diving was theatrical to say the least. Even Gila indulged in one right at the end.
Appalling quality of football, but forgiveable given how bad the pitch is.

[ac_champs]

imo take off KK and bring on janku....

[Danny]

KK's brought very little to our game, as usual. I agree - bring on Marek. Then again, what difference would it make in these conditions?

[ac_champs]

great sheva FK.... good save by ascoli goalie...

[Qasá]

well i know that it says we are playing 4312 but looking at the platyers, i beg to differ, Serginho is not an inside midfielder, and kaladze has been v quiet which prompts me to think that we are playing a 3412. Further evidence of this would be seen through Pirlo being slightly more active adn ambro a bit more defensive....

Therefore By bringing Jankulovski on for Kaladze we would only have two defenders really.... If anything i would bring on Jankulovski for Serginho, and play Kaladze in teh midfield with Jankulovski overlapping him as a LB therfore reverting to an actual 4312...

But patience is teh key imo, its a horrible pitch, just need to get pirlo and kaká in shooting positions i would say

[pas]

not sure marec is a solution. sergio is active. kk is doing his job ok, the problem is pitch. think i gonna be better in the 2 half, coz the half of the pitch we gonna play in the 2 half seems to look better

[ac_champs]

the game is much more flowing now mainly because it stopped raining.....

[ac_champs]

another great sheva freekick...c'mon something's gotta give....

[ac_champs]

1-0 ascoli

[ac_champs]

stam goal dis allowed...

[Qasá]

Collina lives on :angryfi:

[ac_champs]

Ascoli-Milan 57' ASCOLI TAKE A SHOCK LEAD!! A free-kick is curled in from the right..QUEGLIERELLA AT THE NEAR-POST...GREAT SAVE BY DIDA...BUT CUDINI BLASTS THE FOLLOW-UP HOME and the crowd is going mad!!! Milan behind at Ascoli!!!

eurosport.com

i hope that the game gets stopped because of the heavy rain.....

[ac_champs]

SHEVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Equalizer!!!!!!!!!!

[Yasser]

It seems no matter who we sign, under Ancelotti we are destined to suffer, get hard fought wins and lose points against small teams.. Pitch is bad no doubt but it's bad for both sides not only us..

1-1.. AC Sheva that is not AC Milan.. The teamwork is zero! Sheva = Milan!

[ac_champs]

Ascoli-Milan 63' MILAN EQUALISE! Just when it looked like the Italian giants were REALLY beginning to struggle in the pouring Ascoli rain...Shevchenko runs through the middle and FIRES a STUNNING low shot from outside the box into Zotti's bottom left-hand corner!!

eurosport.com

[Danny]

Well the stream seems to have died so I missed the Sheva goal.

As in CCTV lost the feed I think and now the 2 commentators are sitting there talking away in a language I don't understand.

Cosmic.

[ac_champs]

Ascoli-Milan 64' SO CLOSE!! Heroics from Zotti in the Ascoli goal..he makes two saves before GILARDINO BLAZES OVER with the goal gaping!

eurosport.com

[ac_champs]

Well the stream seems to have died so I missed the Sheva goal.

same with my tv channel..... the rain must be really really bad....

[Tom]

Pitch is bad no doubt but it's bad for both sides not only us..

Now that's a stupid comment...

Forza Shevaaa!!!

[Danny]

Has the game been abandoned?

[Smoje]

Has the game been abandoned?

No, the game continues as usual, but I don't know what happens with the TV channels...

[ac_champs]

tv stream back!!

[pas]

yeah, the only thing I can see now is a couple of chinese guys talking bout of some ununderstandable ****

[ac_champs]

:lol:

[Yasser]

Ah really genius Tom.. So pitch is bad for Milan and easy for Ascoli? :rolleyes:

[Danny]

Stream's gone again. What a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon's viewing this has been. From a stream which kept freezing every so often, to a TV company who kept losing the feed. Fantastic.

[ac_champs]

i blame mother nature... meanwhile we have a sub: pirlo off; seedorf on....

[ac_champs]

audio is back....

[Tom]

It's quite easy:

Ascoli trying to destroy our play and maybe get a goal on setpiece while we need to creat/pass the ball around --> the bad pitch is by far a bigger problem for Milan than for Ascoli

Got it?

[ac_champs]

janku about to come in.... probably for sergio

[ac_champs]

btw adriano is on fire shooting a hattrick... janku on for KK

[ac_champs]

4 min stoppage time....

[Danny]

1-1 final score. Disappointing stuff.

[pas]

1-1 ft. crap.

[ac_champs]

another disappointing opening to the new season... we were by far the more dominant side but because of the horrible pitch condtions... on any other day we would have won and by a large margin....

[Yasser]

The usual stuff by Milan. Not so surprising though very disappointing!

The starts of Ambro and Sergio were kind of bad surprises IMO!
Same coach = same stuff = AC Sheva!

[Qasá]

Ambro and serginho were in amazing form in pre season...whats the point of having pre season if players arent supposed to impress?

You moan about him no thaving enough turnover, or using "fast players" like serginho etc and now that he has, u slate ancelloti?

Come on bro, as soon as the players step over the line, what else can Ancelloti do? Is it his fault that Zotti pulled off some amazing stuff or GIla blazed over an open goal or the rain was falling so much milans passing game or kaká and serginho couldnt dribble properly, or gilardino slipped when he had a chance to header a cross into the back of the net?

Same coach = same stuff = same Yasser

[Yasser]

And back to late changes, Jankulovski was given only 6 mins.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yasser]

Always when Milan plays other teams keeper are in form.. What a silly excuse!

Anyway, results speaks.. We always suffer vs small teams and today we have just done the same.. While Inter win 3-0 at home vs a small team too.

[Qasá]

Oh no.....Jankulovski was only given 6 mins, im sure if he had 1 more min, we would have played convincingly and scored 4 more goals...:rolleyes:

Stop clutching at straws mate....every single coach in the world makes subs with about 10 mins left etc, theyre called IMPACT subs, which are supposed to come on LATE when everyone else is TIRED and change things....OR Kaladze was too tired and too innefective, therefore u change....

How many times have we seen players come on in teh last few mins and change things?

[Yasser]

None.
You give Janku 6 mins and want him to score?
It seems you are satisfied with this performance.. Fine up to you, but I'm definitly not impressed at all by the level of football (Can be explained to bad pitch) However, result wasn't acceptable at all and we stand in the same situation of last year; wasting points vs small teams and suffering when facing them.. That's not a level of a top team.. We were lucky last year 8 months and in the final month luck have gone which was normal..

[Leffe]

This game should NOT have been played, come on the pitch was a DISGRACE with rain falling down like never before, it was more a circus than a football game in second half, field was good for 6 minutes in second half and we created chances.

****ing ref ****ed us by letting this game go on, the rest was our own fault, thank Sheva once again .... Without him we are nothing.

And Carlo ?????? To sub the best man on the field Pirlo for Seedorf who made play slower like slow-motion ... :mad: This was also a game for Rino, at least he would have given himself 100% like Sheva and Kaká.

Nowhere in whole Italia rain except Ascoli :mad: on a good field we would also have won 0-3 like Inter Yasser.

[Yasser]

It ended 1-1 though.

1st small team: 2 pts lost! That what matters at the season's end!

[Qasá]

No, hint the sarcasm in my tone, u are the one moaning about Janku only being given 6 mins, not me!

I am not happy with this performance either, But i am a bit more objective than u, and can see external factors that were pivotal in this ghow this game panned out.

Result wasnt acceptable, i give u that too, neither was teh performace, but my main objection to u was, how can u hold ancelloti responsible for his teams performance? Does he tell them to play boring? there are some things that a manager/coach cannot manage/coach, and those things are things such as the performance of the players, the weather, the refs, luck, finishing etc etc

Moan at him, (like leffe has) about subbing Pirlo for seedorf (i guess the reason for that was seedorf was teh most attacking player we had on the bench, as we had no other strikers, and seedorf has a good shot etc) But thats abotuall u can moan at him about.

When we play bad, u look to Pirlo - but he had a reasonable game, so u look to carlo...

Its 2 points lost, but there is 37 games to go! let's be supportive and give the players and new innovations time andfaith, thats what is important at this stage of the season...its BARELY BEGUN!

[Leffe]

It ended 1-1 though.

1st small team: 2 pts lost! That what matters at the season's end!

Come on Yasser you act like we will finish in 5th or even a worser place this season, I repeat if it were normal curstomtances we would have won easy.

TheJammi1 about Carlo you had to admitt it was a stuppied move to take Pilro of, why not Gila for example ? He wasn't in the game at all, I love him but today he was nowhere sad enough and why because the pitch imo. Or change Massimo of Seedorf, a major tactical fault from Carlo that's all I meant about it. And indeed Jankulovski chould have played at least 30 minutes and not 6 :mad:

But like you say, altough I'm still furious, it's just the first game but once again like last season we started with a bad tone ... :rolleyes:

[Walker]

Its 2 points lost, but there is 37 games to go! let's be supportive and give the players and new innovations time andfaith, thats what is important at this stage of the season...its BARELY BEGUN!

Could not agree with You more!!!!!Still I am very dissapointed with the result, but given the match conditions, the refs performance and the bad luck we should be happy with what we got!!!What sucks is that we will have to wait for two weeks to see Milan play again!Two long weeks!I only hope that from now on things will be much better for us!As for Yaseer I respect You buddy but You really have to stop all this bitchng about Carlo and Pirlo!I am sure that any other team that played today instead of Milan (Barca You are so in love with including) would have had the same problems! Some of our players incuding Kaka and Nesta pleaded with the ref to stop the game!!!He refused!!It was not a soccer game as far as I am concerned! It was a mud wrestling!!!!

We are MILAN!!!!!!!!And we will WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!

[Ian]

We can't really blame anyone but ourselves, the pitch/weather was the same for both teams. And as for refereeing decisions, we just have to accept them and get on with it!

I agree with Yasser though, that if we're not playing well then Carlo doesn't seem to do much about it. Think back to the CL final and Benitez putting Haman on Kaka, that totally changed the game - I can't remember Carlo doing anything like that. We really need to start gaining points of the 'smal' teams otherwise we're looking at another trophy less season :rolleyes:

[Qasá]

Another thing bro

First day in respective leagues

Chlesea 1- 0 v lowly Wigan. 93rd min crespo rocket.... didnt play well and were lucky to get the win :)

barca 0-0 v Alaves A disappointing 0-0 draw

Thigns happen bro, i didnt hear barca or chelsea whining about anything, they jsut got on with it...because they understand these things happen, they dotn slat their team straight away, they give them time and know that they are good enough to come back from it professionally....ie graceful champions mentality...we shud defo have that too :)

[VUGAR]

Yasser has been Baymanized!!!!!

[Leffe]

AC Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti was furious with the game’s referee Massimo De Santis at the end of the 1-1 draw the Rossoneri were held to by Ascoli.
"We asked the game to be interrupted, because the rain had soaked the whole pitch. But De Sanctis demonstrated to us that we could play by throwing the ball ten meters high. I felt made fun of by this attitude," Ancelotti said after the game.

"Clearly it's difficult to say how we played, when it was almost impossible to play as we wanted to," he added.


FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORZA MILAN let's forget this game and move on but indeed 2 weeks pffffffffff stuppied WC games :mad:

[Leffe]

AC Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti was fuming at referee Massimo De Santis for not abandoning the league game away to newly-promoted Ascoli where incessant rain made conditions hazardous.

Milan were unable to play their normally fluent passing game in their first game of the new Serie A season and asked De Santis to call the match off several times before labouring to a 1-1 draw.

"In certain parts of the pitch the surface was unplayable, especially down the wings," Ancelotti said Sunday.

"It shouldn't have been allowed to start. I accept the result, but for me it was dictated by the conditions and it's difficult to make a technical assessment on the game given the circumstances.

"The ball stopped continuously in puddles and we couldn't play the way we know how. You can't judge Milan on this pitch."


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Leffe]

Alessandro Nesta said: 'Despite the difficult conditions we put everything in. We'll try and win other games but hopefully not in the rain. We asked the referee to suspend the game as it was not possible to play and I don't think the public like to watch games like these. A draw in these conditions had to be. We are in good health as always and as for the tough tackles these are down to the pitch.'

Andrea Pirlo commented after the draw at the Del Duca: 'The pitch was difficult for everyone. We aren't in good humour in the dressing room but the conditions played a major part. The referee said the ball was bouncing so we had to continue. As for all the fouls these are normal given the situation.'

Kaka saw the glass half full after the draw at the Del Duca: 'We haven't started the season that well, it would have been better if we had won. However, a point away from home is fine. The first half was tough but we are used to playing in these conditions. We weren't penalised as both sides had to play in the same situation. We didn't manage to express ourselves when the pitch improved.'

Andriy Shevchenko had this analysis: 'The pitch cannot be blamed but without doubt it conditioned the game as we could not play our style. It's a pity we gave away a goal from a dead-ball. Now we have to think ahead to the next game. We expected to win at Ascoli but it didn't turn out that way. There is no use feeling any useless doubts.'

[Elchillum]

JUVENTUS, PSV, LECCE, PALERMO, UDINESE, LIVERPOOL, ASCOLI...

7 games without a win ...

cheers :beer:

[Walter]

Well, same team, same old problems. Nothing has changed. I want to remind you that Ascoli´s team has been formed in the last 10 days with players who have never played together before. And they weren´t able to defeat such a squad... The rain? The pitch? Please... You have to be ready to play in those climaticconditions as well. And... fellas... have you seen Stam? A catastrophe! Maldini is out and out of shape... A little bell should toll... but nothing is ringing in Galliani´s ears. Midfield: Ambrosini... only good for friendly matches, but when you official ones... he shows to be what he is: a no player. Galliani, may you find a couple of demons under your bed tonight, you still got two days to complete the team...

[GattusoKing]

I'm glad I decided to watch the cricket instead :rolleyes:

No surprise in the scoreline, or the comments made on the performance.

Re: Max starting, I mentioned this to my brother who commented (pardon the crudity of it) - he must give great blowjobs. Never a truer word spoken.

[Elchillum]

Well, same team, same old problems. Nothing has changed. I want to remind you that Ascoli´s team has been formed in the last 10 days with players who have never played together before. And they weren´t able to defeat such a squad... The rain? The pitch? Please... You have to be ready to play in those climaticconditions as well. And... fellas... have you seen Stam? A catastrophe! Maldini is out and out of shape... A little bell should toll... but nothing is ringing in Galliani´s ears. Midfield: Ambrosini... only good for friendly matches, but when you official ones... he shows to be what he is: a no player. Galliani, may you find a couple of demons under your bed tonight, you still got two days to complete the team...

walter i agree about everything you say except bout ambro ... if he's surrounded by a REAL SQUAD he's the best in his possition! the alarmbell has tolled already for a long time as the only two players that are capable of bringing milan to another dimension are kaka and shevchenko! if you have no sheva and no kaka ... we are totally screwed! of course we can take points also in the way juve did, but that's not the right attitude tot he game ... with long balls there are still vieri and gilardino to do the job but that cant always work ... in these modern days of how the game is played, you need back up, and not 0 € players just becuz they are free! ... letting dhorassoo and getting vogel for me was doing a lose-lose situation ... vieira goes to juve, last year emersson ... and we? where we lost the scudetto last season ... MIDFIELD ... i will go sit in curva and shout for the players that are on the field ... but i wont make myself illusions that this could be THE YEAR after the major disappointment of last year! ... i know some members around here quietly hope that this season will suck and that the management will take action ... yeah right ... seems that we need to become 13th in serie A before galliani's brains start to work...
I am not blaming the coach ... i am not blaming our players ... not at all ... but last season we had a good season overall, and i have the feeling we took (almost) the maximum out of it .... and no (needed) reinforcements is the same as getting inferior ...

cheers :beer:

[Elchillum]

I'm glad I decided to watch the cricket instead :rolleyes:

No surprise in the scoreline, or the comments made on the performance.

Re: Max starting, I mentioned this to my brother who commented (pardon the crudity of it) - he must give great blowjobs. Never a truer word spoken.

getting mad at the players doesnt help you forward ... remember that ... not you personally, but im telling it also for the rest of the members ... the players that go out on the field merit some respect ... if milan doesnt do well it's due to the (current) circumstances ...

cheers :beer:

[GattusoKing]

I wouldn't bother wasting my energy being mad at Max; in fact, I can barely muster being indifferent toward him, but there's more than a degree of truthism in my brother's comments. He's a non-player, as Walter described him, yet, due to sentimentality reasons, he somehow manages not only to remain at the club year in year out (which is bad enough) despite contributing nothing, but he's now in the starting-XI and captaining the side. Shall I laugh or cry :o

[Elchillum]

I wouldn't bother wasting my energy being mad at Max; in fact, I can barely muster being indifferent toward him, but there's more than a degree of truthism in my brother's comments. He's a non-player, as Walter described him, yet, due to sentimentality reasons, he somehow manages not only to remain at the club year in year out (which is bad enough) despite contributing nothing, but he's now in the starting-XI and captaining the side. Shall I laugh or cry :o

in that case vogel-gattuso-vieri-inzaghi aint football players either ... ambro in different times was always there to score a goal, to save us ... in good times he made a less bigger impact ... on ambro you can count, even if it's a cl final and must play right back ... that he isnt technically the finest player in the world, i agree ... but he has a great fysical appearance, uses his body good, scores on important times, good headers ...you also need a player like that in the team!

cheers :beer:

[Leffe]

I just don't understand why everybody is so negative all the time, I repeat again on a good field we would have won, okay shouldn't be an excuse but come on there was more water on the field than on an olymic swimmingpool ;) What did Ascoli do if we take away the goal ? Nothing, Stam almost scored an own-goal and not an Ascoli player.

Forza Milan

[GattusoKing]

So we're commending him on the fact that he can score useful headers and play out of position when the need arises? Is this the criteria for being Milan's starting DM? Maybe it's just me but I'd sooner have someone who can pass or at the very least tackle.

We could go round and round in circles debating the various flaws and merits of Max. Some here rate him, some don't and never the twains shall meet.

[Elchillum]

So we're commending him on the fact that he can score useful headers and play out of position when the need arises? Is this the criteria for being Milan's starting DM? Maybe it's just me but I'd sooner have someone who can pass or at the very least tackle.

We could go round and round in circles debating the various flaws and merits of Max. Some here rate him, some don't and never the twains shall meet.

i have never quoted he plays out of possition ... you do it ... gattuso doesnt get critics but he plays out of possition more often than ambro, but rino is accepted becuz of his extravert passion for milan, and ambro is not ... everyone has his own manner! you like someone that can make a pass? then why is half of the forum against pirlo starting? ... no matter what you do, it wont please everyone ... maybe you'll like vogel in stead of ambro ... he sure can make the difference ...

cheers :beer:

[Walter]

Elchi... Ambro had 8/9 years to demonstrate to be a Milan class player. He demonstrated to be less than an average player. What has he done to deserve a place in the squad? Just a couple of goals. Nothing more than that. He ´s afraid of the ball and he runs without knowing where to go. You compared Ambro to Rino... Elchi, please, Rino has always given the best of himself (apart from last year) and he showed to be UNIQUE. Ambro only showed to be a good gardner for Milanello. That´s his true job, or that should be his real job. Vogel? Well, if we gave Ambro 9 years, we can easily give him a season, can´t we?

[GattusoKing]

i have never quoted he plays out of possition ... you do it ... gattuso doesnt get critics but he plays out of possition more often than ambro, but rino is accepted becuz of his extravert passion for milan, and ambro is not ... everyone has his own manner! you like someone that can make a pass? then why is half of the forum against pirlo starting? ... no matter what you do, it wont please everyone ... maybe you'll like vogel in stead of ambro ... he sure can make the difference ...

cheers :beer:

You've misconstrued me. I asked you why I should commend a player simply because he'll play out of position if asked, be it RB (as you mentioned one post ago) or CB. That's no criteria for picking a DM. Nor is because he may have scored against PSV or whoever, or that he was once a decent player five years ago pre-injury, or that he's the third-longest serving player blah blah blah.

You know, it never ceases to amaze me that when people praise Max, it's completely unrelated to the job he's supposed to be doing in midfield, as though his function as the team's DM was incidental; he scored........yes, but what about his shocking display as DM which contributed to the three goals conceded?

Would I like Vogel over Max? I'd take Vogel on one leg over Max.

You're right though. You can't please all the people all of the time.

[RossoneriBAKU]

Well, we was not able to start with victory, but nevertheless, Milan PLAYED even on such bog. Realization was very bad, especial Serg's moment. It's a pity, that we didn't realize any from multitudinous free-kicks.

Of course, the field was unfit for football, but the ball jumped, so the ref was right, when he didn't abolish the match.

I suppose, that the field's condition was the reason of Maldini's absence. On such field he could injured easily. It's good that there is a break now, because our players got tired with this match very much.

Congrats Sheva with immediate award! So to hold! :diavolett

[Leffe]

Our players where tired :eek: come on after one game ;) You got to be kidding me :D

[Filipez]

very bad start of the seasen!!! it was difficult playing football and ascoli was very lucky, so a few excuses for our result.

next game 3pts!!

forza milan

[RossoneriBAKU]

Our players where tired :eek: come on after one game ;) You got to be kidding me :D
I mean after such match in bad conditions. So it's good that our players will have enough time to have a rest.

It's quite another matter, that most of them will play for their NT :D

[Leffe]

That's what I meant, there is no time for rest ;)